Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildman
>> Steve Jordahl: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Wesley and Fred. And now Steve Paisley Jordal.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good morning, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning.
Fred: I went to a Christian college, and I don't remember anatomy
>> Tim Wildmon: So, Steve, last hour we were talking to Alex about colleges and universities, because a lot of parents and grandparents, you know, they don't want to send their Christian young person off to a school that's going to attack their faith. Right?
>> Steve Jordahl: Correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: so you need to be careful. We all need to be careful. And studied and, travel to the campus, talk to people. you know, so do your homework so you know what your kids getting in. But, so I said I used my experience. this is in the 80s. Just one little thing that happened about my science professor attacking people who. She didn't attack me personally, but I mean, she was m. mocking people who believe in biblical creation.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So the class was anatomy and physiology. And I just wonder, how did you
>> Steve Jordahl: do in anatomy and physiology?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, because I. I had to retake.
>> Steve Jordahl: I went to a Christian college, and I don't remember taking an anatomy and physiology class. I was pre med like you, but
>> Tim Wildmon: you know what I'm talking about.
>> Steve Jordahl: What I do. I do know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Pre med,
>> Wesley Wildmon: that was one of your traits. Right?
>> Ben Shapiro: That's.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's funny right there. Me and pre med. No, I graduated 55th. 55th in my class of 56. And. But I want to operate on you.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, no, I don't remember taking the class. I do. Here's what I will say to that topic is don't. Don't assume because it's a Christian college that you're going to escape those kinds of problems.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, and also, Fred, you don't need to be. We can't. Like you said, we need to, be exposed to alternative ideas so that we can defend our own faith. There's nothing wrong. You don't want to have blind. Blind faith. Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that's right. Come full circle on that and your concern. You just don't want to go into anything, whether that be, college or the real world or whatever, with naiveness or blindness. That's the key.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Also, a lot of these professors, they have absolute control of their classroom. Now, some of them will engage students and have debate and discussion, but sometimes it's an authoritarian situation where you better. You better buy my dogma or you're not passing this class. We've heard those. Those stories, too.
>> Steve Jordahl: This whole movie series is based on that.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's that? Oh, yeah, yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: God's not dead.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, God's not dead. Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Building in Manhattan that used to be Pfizer headquarters collapses
All right, what's your first story? That building ever fall down in Manhattan, NewSong York?
>> Steve Jordahl: No, the building is still, up in Manhattan, NewSong York.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tell people what happened. Who don't know.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. This was a building in Manhattan that used to be the headquarters, I believe, for Pfizer at one point. And, investigators went in and found that it was crumbling. It was. Ben, it was literally. Some of the girders were literally folding in on themselves.
>> Tim Wildmon: You mean kind of like the COVID vaccine?
>> Steve Jordahl: Kind of like the COVID vaccine kind, of like, a flesh eating disease almost on the girders. I don't know. After looking at those pictures, I don't know how the building was, frankly, still standing. Now, they have said, building inspectors and engineers have said that the building is now safe. I believe even there's people that live up above this. I, I wouldn't want to.
>> Fred Jackson: They're, they're, they're renovating it.
>> Tim Wildmon: How tall is this building?
>> Fred Jackson: it looks like 20, 24 stories. They want to add multiple stories to this building. That's what they're in the process of doing right now because they want to turn it into an apartment building.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: And you know, when you start adding floors to an old building.
>> Tim Wildmon: Uh-huh. Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: I think you're rolling the dice.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, they should name it that. The roll the dice. Condos.
>> Fred Jackson: We got a bargain for you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Got a bargain for you.
>> Steve Jordahl: We'll come down off with that one.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So what do they, what they did was they made people evacuate.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: For about two or three days. What do you. Did you see this?
>> Wesley Wildmon: I did the, the architecture. One of the architectures that they were interviewing, the architects, architects they were interviewing that, was speaking to the, the integrity of the structure, said that the way the building is built that you will not see a, full collapse of the building, but you will see a, collapse of, you could see a collapse of a portion of the building now.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm just repeating what he said.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know. You know, that makes you feel better, doesn't it?
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: In other words, he was given worst case scenario.
>> Fred Jackson: You rent an apartment on the 16th floor.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: Next week you may be on the 10th floor. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I tell you where I'm not getting an apartment on the third floor. Thirteenth floor.
>> Fred Jackson: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm not getting an apartment on the 13th floor, nor am I getting apartment 666? I ain't living there. You don't have to give me 665.
>> Fred Jackson: Ain't gonna do.
>> Tim Wildmon: Not gonna happen. so, all right, so anyway, so the building, that's going to be a legal mess right there. They're going to be people suing people. And if you had an apartment in that condominium complex, it is that. It's a condominium complex.
>> Steve Jordahl: They want to put more than 60.
>> Tim Wildmon: So nobody's living there yet. But if you had committed to buy a condo there and this situation came up, I would back out.
>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, that's where you're going to run into problems because somebody's going to pay. Either the insurance company or the architecture firm or I doubt the builders probably won't because they rely on engineers. And unless the engineers work for them. Anyway, I just know what you're saying what happened was you had a, older building, and they're trying to build new apartments on top of the foundation. And that's what got the attention of somebody who saw it move or shift or maybe.
>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah. I mean, one of the girders collapsed.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, right.
>> Fred Jackson: And, some of the bricks started to fall off the building on the sidewalk.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're talking about midtown Manhattan.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, millions of people pass through those streets, you know, on a monthly basis, I would guess maybe so.
>> Steve Jordahl: So, the 1600 rental apartments, roughly a quarter of them are designated to be affordable housing.
>> Tim Wildmon: they're going to be real affordable right now.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right. More than 100,000 square feet of amenities, including a rooftop pool, fitness center, and they haven't set the prices yet, but based on comparable luxury rentals in midtown Manhattan, you can expect a studio apartment to go from anywhere between 38 and $4,800 a month, a two bedroom, all the way up to as much as $10,000 a month in rent.
>> Tim Wildmon: What are the VRBO reviews gonna say? Yeah, it's got a great kitchen, great, view, slight chance it'll collapse in the middle of the night, but other than that, I think it's, we'll
>> Steve Jordahl: give you your money back.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're gonna give it a 3.8 especially,
>> Fred Jackson: especially with a pool on the roof.
>> Tim Wildmon: You got a pool on the roof, so if you collapse, you, least told.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Like I said, the water videos I saw, they were oddly confident.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That, that, that if, if anything happens, it's a partial collapse but not a full collapse. Sure. But I'm going like, what's, I mean,
>> Tim Wildmon: we can all Handle partial collapse. It's the whole thing coming down you worry about.
President Trump says he's open to resuming negotiations with Iran over war
Next story.
>> Ben Shapiro: Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right. I heard you guys talking earlier, last hour, about President, Trump saying he's open to resuming negotiations with Iran over, the war.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think he had just woke up. Hadn't he had a. And he had his eggs yet?
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, he might want to rethink that. There's, There's a fundamental.
>> Tim Wildmon: We'll let you tell him.
>> Steve Jordahl: There's a fundamental misunderstanding right now. Either the president and his team, which would be Vice President Vance, Jared Kushner, and, his negotiator. What's his name? It was a Wickloff. W. they. Either they don't understand this, or they do and don't know how to get around it. Ben Shapiro is here, and, he's going to explain how the world view of the people we're negotiating with is completely foreign to the worldview of the United States. And two, are almost incompatible. This is a little bit longer than normal, but let's listen to cut 16.
>> Ben Shapiro: We assume that Islamic actors in the Middle east are just like us. They want the same things for their kids. They want the same ends. Human flourishing. Right? That's what we want. That's what they want. We all just have different roads to get there. Wrong. We are committed to a different set of values than cultures all around the world were weird. Western, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic. Right. That is not the norm. It's not what everybody thinks. It is what we think. Those values are naturalistic outgrowths of our Judeo Christian heritage. They did not come from nowhere. They came from originally the Old Testament and then the NewSong Testament and then church. And they make us different from other cultures. We say things like, hey, you guys, you should want to preserve the life and the lives of yourselves and your citizens. And they say, we want Islam to win. Totally different worldview. How do you make a deal with people who think like this, whose set of incentives is different, whose logical thinking is different, whose approach to negotiation is totally different? The only way to make a successful deal with people who think like this is to totally and completely devastate their capacity to win. The only way to have a successful agreement in the Middle east is for one side to be so thoroughly devastated that the only way out is to basically give up the ghost and try to play it as a win. Now, President Trump looked at Iran on an absolute level, and he kept saying, they're dead, right? Dead. Economy, military, basically defenestrated ballistic missile facilities. Gone. Missile launchers tremendously damaged, nuclear facilities blown up. A, navy at the bottom of the sea. A leadership class entirely dead. And he said, okay, well, I guess they're. I guess they're defeated. Now it's time for them to negotiate their surrender. Here's what they saw. An America that wanted to negotiate, an America that was afraid to finish them off in America that was not going to forcibly open the strait, and, in fact, was begging for the strait to be open. Begging them for the strait to be open.
>> Steve Jordahl: You're not going to be able to.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you're right. He's right. I don't know how much President Trump understood that or appreciated that. I think, Senator. I think, Secretary of State Marco Rubio certainly does. And I'm not criticizing President Trump, except to say I don't think he's ever dealt with anybody quite like this.
>> Wesley Wildmon: There's no art of the deal here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, this isn't right. There's no art of the deal. This isn't normal behavior where you can swap things, trade things, or give
>> Wesley Wildmon: them time to get over being mad.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right. They don't. Especially this particular regime in Iran. They're operating on theological Islamic fundamentalism. And that's not like we operate. That's what Ben Shapiro said. They don't think like we do.
>> Fred Jackson: But you know who also understands that Islamic mind? Prime Minister Netanyahu. Oh, yeah, he understands it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: He understands that they are driven by their religion. You know, it's not like the Islamic regime in Iran and Hamas and Hezbollah haven't told us they want Israel wiped off the face of the earth and the United States next.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. Islam does not value human life the same way Judaism and Christianity does.
>> Fred Jackson: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'll give you an example. When Israel goes, has to militarily go after Hamas, the terrorist organization inside Gaza, the Gaza Strip, the Hamas terrorists, they are notorious for hiding behind, mosques and hospitals and under schools where kids are, because they know that the Israelis hands are tied. Because the Israelis, understand that, well, they understand that human life does matter. this is my perspective. Okay. So they don't want to intentionally kill innocent people while they're going after the terrorists and the bad guys. Now, unfortunately, sometimes that does happen because all those people in Gaza, for example, are just congested. and the Hamas fighters hide among the civilian population, the non combatants. But I'm just saying. So the Judeo Christian teaching is, every human life is valuable in the eyes of God, and so we should act in that way, that's why you don't have prisoners and then you just slaughter them all. In war, a lot of times we take prisoners of war because we don't want to, because we value the, the individual human life, where in Islam really it's about whatever, pleases Allah in the minds of who is ever commanding in Iran, the Islamic, revolutionary forces.
The devout Muslim views non devout Muslims as infidels
Does that make sense?
>> Fred Jackson: It does.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then you go, Fred. And then you go, Wesley.
>> Fred Jackson: I have not heard this audio, but I've been told by a number of sources one of the Hamas terrorists who carried out that massacre in October of 2023, got on his cell phone and called his mom and proudly told his mother what he was doing to a woman.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, well, for the non Muslim, for the devout Muslims, and I'm talking all. I'm not talking about nominal Muslims, but, but for the devout Muslims, we are infidels. The non devout Muslim, and even, the non devout. Excuse me, the devout Muslim views non devout Muslims as infidels. And infidels can be treated in any way. Okay. What I wanted to finish my thought process a while ago. So the difference between Hamas is they hide behind schools and hospitals and mosques, but the Israelis, they don't do that. The Israelis don't get behind schools or hide behind hospitals.
>> Steve Jordahl: They're the worst genocide committers in history.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. So I'm just saying there's a different view of human life among, between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And another comparison to the make that point is that on October 7, 2023, Hamas didn't call and give a heads up of where they're going to attack. Whereas Israel, United States, and really a lot of other countries, if you're at war with them, you go, hey, you need to get the women and children out. We got about 12 hours.
>> Tim Wildmon: The reason we do that, and Israel does that is because, as I said earlier, they value.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Human life and don't want to kill it.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Now, you know, obviously war is war, and there's some. But the idea of giving. But remember, Hamas didn't call in and say, I'm letting you know. Right. I mean, there's a. That's a big comparison.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
Day two of the Tyler Robinson hearing to determine if there's enough evidence
>> Tim Wildmon: next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, day two of the Tyler Robinson hearing. We talked about this yesterday with Abe. It's, a preliminary hearing to see if there's enough evidence to start a trial. And at issue today, the Charlie Kirk trial. Charlie Kirk. Yes. This is the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk. At issue today is a video that has some testimony from Charlie, from Tyler Robinson's significant other, a furry, gay, weird person. And, the judge wanted to redact or wants to redact some of this. Erica Kirk has asked the court to play it in its full, without any redactions, because she says to redact it would, fuel more conspiracy theories. And believe me, with Candace Owens and other people out there, conspiracy theories have gone through the roof with this. And so Erica Kirk wants it all out there to stop any further conspiracy theories. So, anyway, the judge. I believe, Fred, you might know better, but the judge said he was going to play. I don't know whether they're going to play the whole thing or the redemption.
>> Fred Jackson: No, he has agreed. Judge Tony Graff, who's overseeing this preliminary hearing, has said he is willing to play a, portions of this interview that the cops carried out with this. Tyler Robinson's significant other.
>> Ben Shapiro: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So that's the first I heard of that. That's good.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. I don't, know that there's going to be much doubt as far as the outcome of the hearing. There is enough evidence to put, Robinson on trial for murder.
>> Wesley Wildmon: One angle that I have not heard discussed just a whole lot, but very. But a little. Is that. Is there with the text messages. Is there any evidence that you've seen or any discussion that could point to Tyler Robinson's boyfriend being, knowing or complicit or.
>> Steve Jordahl: The text messages between the two after the event were fairly stilted. In other words, if you were going to plant evidence or plant something that says, you know, oh, go look at my computer. Don't tell anybody. If you were going to try to make someone sound like they didn't know what was going on, that's the language that they put in the text. Now, it could have been stilted. The jury's out on that.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Ah, but, the text messages were certainly criticized for being stilted.
>> Fred Jackson: The prosecution has given Tyler Robinson's boyfriend, immunity in exchange for his testimony.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, really?
>> Fred Jackson: The information that he gave. So what? The picture we have right now is this guy was willing to spill the beans to avoid being charged as an accomplice in a murder.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sounds like, to me, his only hope for escaping the death penalty is to say, I did it. Please don't. Please don't execute me.
>> Steve Jordahl: Some kind of a plea?
>> Fred Jackson: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: that. That would be. But. But, I think Jenna. Was it Jenna telling us that the prosecutors aren't interested in a plea deal?
>> Steve Jordahl: No, that might have been Abe.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, Abe Zay. Okay, well, of course, that could change. I guess the only advantage to a, quote, plea deal.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I think you're right, Jenna. Also. But they said the same thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Would be if the, prosecution decides we don't want. We just want to avoid trial, because that way, you know, we don't have to have one. And all that. All that goes into that, we just, you know, we'll just avoid the trial. He pleads guilty and he goes to jail for our prison. I guess it is for the rest of his life. But they had the death penalty in Utah, and this crime was so public and so vicious, if he did it, he's probably gonna. He's probably gonna.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: be ex. I don't know what they, you know. You know, a lot of times they. You get. You get, the death penalty, and then you're. You're reading about some guy 20 years later going, well, his fifth hearing for. You know what I'm saying? So who knows?
>> Steve Jordahl: Am I right? That Gary Gilmore was executed in Utah by firing squad? Check that. That was one of the options.
>> Wesley Wildmon: It is an option.
>> Fred Jackson: Really?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Firing squad.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wow, that's pretty gruesome.
James Talarico is running for Senate in Texas
All right, next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, voters in Texas, I am begging you not to fall for the rumor, that, your candidate there, for. I believe it's for one of the. It's,
>> Wesley Wildmon: What's his name?
>> Steve Jordahl: James Talarico. He's running.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's the Democrat senatorial candidate running for Senate in Texas.
>> Steve Jordahl: He, has made kind of expressions that he's a Christian, but everything that he says belies that. And I wanted to bring you the latest. He was complaining about some of the actions from the Trump administration to curb, gender transition, gender mutilation, surgeries on young children. And this is what he had to say about that. Cut 17. You saw it in the anti LGBTQ legislation, including the bill that would have denied gender affirming health care to trans children. And then, of course, famously, infamously, we saw it last session with the most extreme abortion ban in the country. all of these, all these ideologies stem from this. This Christo fascism movement.
>> Tim Wildmon: What are you talking m. About? banning on abortion. What is he talking about?
>> Steve Jordahl: The House, I believe, or the Supreme Court? ruling that overturned Roe. Pretty sure that's what he was talking about.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's been a long time ago.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, right.
>> Fred Jackson: I think what's clear is he's all in on the trans movement. He doesn't have a problem with certain children. Yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: he doesn't have a problem with abortion. I mean, Texans have a pretty clear choice. They have a pretty clear choice.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ken Paxton versus Or. Yeah. is he the guy. Tellarico guy said, I'm a Christian. Who doesn't like Christianity?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes. He's the one that's also said, all faiths lead to Christ, all roads lead to the same, you know, Islam.
>> Tim Wildmon: But then why be a Christian?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, well, I don't know.
>> Wesley Wildmon: He's not.
>> Tim Wildmon: Fall roads lead to God.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's not.
>> Tim Wildmon: I would say you're judging him still.
>> Steve Jordahl: I am. Based on his words, Based on his testimony. I'm making a. An informed.
>> Wesley Wildmon: He's not. He didn't have a chance.
>> Tim Wildmon: But, no, I think he's going to lose. too liberal for Texas now. It may be 5 points, may not be a blowout, but I think he'll lose to, Ken Paxton, who's already won a couple of times on a statewide level. Right. Statewide races. All right, we're out of time. Thank you, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Fred. Wesley, Krish. Alex. Brent Creeley, our producer. Cole Greene, our video man. Is anybody else? Somebody was vacuuming out there.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Do we count them, too?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, then we gotta get to the person that made the popcorn.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's true. We just don't have time for it. See you tomorrow with trivia.
