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Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon. M President of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. Announcer Just told you, my name is Tim Wildmon, and in studio with me is Ed Vitagliano. Good morning, brother.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, good morning, Tim.
>> Tim Wildmon: Fred Jackson.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Hello there, Red.
>> Tim Wildmon: Your brother, too. And, Wesley Wildmon is just now sitting down. Decided to show up for the show, did you, Weston?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Hey, listen, duty calls sometimes, huh? add some. I put out some fires on the way down, too.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, when he says way down, on the way down, he's talking about. Our offices are upstairs.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: So he walked down the stairs.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay. That's an excuse that I had to get coffee, but okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: There's. There's different kind of fire you had to put out.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. All right. Well, anyway, everybody, thanks for listening to American Family Radio. We appreciate it very, very much. Yes, Ed?
AFRS is gathering listener stories for its spring Share a Thon
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I. I would like to let listene know some of. They may already know that we have a Share a thon coming up in April. April, 7, 8 and 9.
>> Tim Wildmon: Uh-huh.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And it is that time of the year where we start gathering stories to play during our spring Share a Thon. And so I want to let our listeners know, Tim, that we cherish their stories about how AFR has been a blessing to them, how God has used this ministry to bless them. So if the Lord has used American radio in your life, if we've been there, given the right thought at just the right time, that kind of thing. Please, we want you to share your story. We'd like to hear your AFR story because it could be a blessing and encouragement to others. How do you do that? Well, I'm glad you asked because I'm. Tim, I'm glad they asked because I'm going to tell them. I'm going to tell them how they can do that. We want you to call and share for a minute or two. All right, Let me just say this as nicely as sweetly. I'm a sweet person. You are Ed, let me tell this. Tell y' all as sweetly as possible.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sweet Italian.
>> Ed Vitagliano: We don't wait sweetly. I'd like a sweet Italian pepper.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sweet, okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Or sweet Italian sausage. Whatever.
>> Tim Wildmon: What do you want to.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Or lasagna. Okay. So, we don't want your whole life story. Okay. Yeah, I see. I started.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're starting to slip.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I started slipping over to being.
>> Tim Wildmon: Being a regular Italian.
>> Ed Vitagliano: We can't play long testimonies. How about that?
>> Tim Wildmon: A minute. A minute or two.
>> Ed Vitagliano: A minute or two. We can't play real long testimonies. but if you want to call and share, you might hear yourself during Sharethon. Here's the listener story hotline. Okay. 877-8766. Excuse me. 8893 just got an air bubble or something.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. I don't know what that was kind of a pause. I didn't know what happened. Resuscitate you or something.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm just shaking my head. That can't see because you started off and I thought, you know what? You're doing better than I did yesterday.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And now I'm thinking, you know, what do you. You mean. Get this.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You're bringing. You're bringing this all back to you
>> Wesley Wildmon: like I did when I walked in, coming late.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just to be clear, I just want. Before you give that number again, what you're going to do, you're going to call this phone number that Ed's about to give.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Assuming he gives it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I can see without, you know, without choking up.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. And we most call. There's. There's not a lot of persons can answer the phone.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't think it's going to be a recording. They're going to say, please leave your recording. That's when you leave your listener testimony about the AFRS impact on your life. We use those during our share a thon. So you'll say, hey, this is. You know, this is, Betty Giuseppe. Yeah, this is Betty from Little Rock. And I just want to know. I just want to tell you how afar. That's all you need to do. Yeah, that's all you need to do. You don't need to leave your last name or anything. We would like your. Your first name and the town you live in or. And. Or the state or the station you listen to. Go ahead.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So here's the number. 877-876-8893. You can be hearing this all week for a while now on, your favorite American family radio shows. 877-876-8893.
There you go. So, uh, we love to hear from our listeners
There you go.
>> Tim Wildmon: And those are very. We love them. We love them. We play them during our share a thon. So, we love to hear from our listeners. all right, Tim, Ed Wesley and Fred. Fred, what's our first story?
The Midwest is getting late spring type weather to the point of tornadoes
>> Fred Jackson: Well, we have a lot of news to report on the war against Iran, but first want to get, bring it back home for a few moments. if you haven't heard in the last several days, Michigan, now Illinois, Indiana on the calendar. It's still winter, but they are getting late spring type weather to the point of tornadoes. Don't know if you guys saw several days ago the damage done by tornadoes in Michigan this time of the year. And then last night in Illinois and Indiana, tornadoes, struck. And in the northwestern Indiana community of Lake Vill Village, two people died there from injuries suffered, when a tornado hit that area. Also in Kankakee. Kankakee, Illinois, we have a station.
>> Tim Wildmon: We do, yeah. Kankakee, I think. Yes, you're right.
>> Fred Jackson: the county sheriff there is Mike Downey. And, tornadoes hit through that area. There was a twister ripped across a field of farmland there near an airport, while vehicles lined the road. And, I tell you what. So we need to be. Normally when we talk about tornadoes, we mention Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas. This is unusual, especially this time of the year for tornadoes in this part of the country. So be praying for them. And apparently there's another wave of bad weather that's working its way coming out of Texas once again.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm looking at it right now. We appreciate it. Texas.
>> Fred Jackson: Mm.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you very much for sending all this weather to the rest of us out here. Yeah, you got. You're right. The, the Midwest, you know, you don't think of Illinois and Indiana, or Michigan experiencing tornadoes now. They do get tornadoes, but usually in May.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Not. Not this time of year. You're right. so. And then, yeah, I'm seeing another wave of,
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, through the Midwest and coming. Gonna roll right through here where our flagship station is.
>> Tim Wildmon: We had tornado sirens go off. Tornado, warning sirens go off two days ago.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. My least favorite part of the year. I like. I like spring, but spring in the south and Texas and you know, the
>> Tim Wildmon: tornado sirens, do they, move you at all, Ed, or.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm not really sure what a siren is, but Sirens. I hear sirens, Ed, that's just.
>> Tim Wildmon: Not that we could have talked about off the air. You just, I don't know. if I were a sensitive man,
>> Ed Vitagliano: which you're not, and I can't be.
>> Tim Wildmon: I would have my feelings hurt there a little bit. I guess you got to mock my word. Feelings, huh?
>> Ed Vitagliano: no feeling.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Nothing more than feelings.
Do tornado sirens move you at all depending on where you live
All right, so anyway, however you want to say it, people. Siren. What did you call it?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Siren.
>> Tim Wildmon: Siren. Okay. Short. When that. When the. When the. When the tornado sirens.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: go off. does that move you at all? Does that depend on where you are?
>> Ed Vitagliano: It didn't move me the other night.
>> Tim Wildmon: Did you hear them?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I did.
>> Tim Wildmon: You live way out in the sticks.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, okay, so I had come back. I live in a small town right to the west of Tupelo, Mississippi, where our flagship. Flagship station is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I had come back into town during the storm because I had an elders meeting at church. Okay. And that's where I heard the siren.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: When I got out of the car, I said, oh, that's not a good sign.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And then matter where you live, if it's a tornado, though, sticks or no sticks.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, whether you lay out on the sticks, you got sticks flying.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You live in town. You got bricks flying. So Wesley does that. Does. I'm just. I'm doing a survey here. Get to our Nova Scotia man here
>> Wesley Wildmon: in a minute, and I got some more weather reports for you. But to answer your question, no, the sirens do not move me.
>> Tim Wildmon: But you do stop for a minute, don't you, and think maybe it's coming my way or.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I do. No.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: What I do do is go. I do got to find a way to get this tin up over this grill because I got to finish grilling.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, man. All I'm gonna say. You got a fist bump, because you are true Southern man.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's like an MMA fighter against the weather right there. Oh, we got some tornado coming through. But I gotta finish the grilling.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I put a grill.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm gonna get toward the end of the wedding.
>> Tim Wildmon: Somebody catch that burger.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I bet you're not grilling. You're not grilling bell peppers. You're grilling meat out there.
Fred Turner: President Trump is proud of what we're doing to Iranian navy
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Fred, does this. Does a tornado sirens move?
>> Fred Jackson: yeah, I kind of put it together with, how high the wind is outside, you know, and if I'm listening to one of the local weather guys, we do.
>> Ed Vitagliano: We all listen to the weather apps,
>> Fred Jackson: and they show how far away this little twirl is.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I pay attention to that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Be a big twirl, too.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes. But anyway, however, two nights ago.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Mentioned I was at a local gym, and I was, you know, trucking along.
>> Tim Wildmon: You working out?
>> Fred Jackson: Working out. And the Sirens were going off and it was pouring down rain.
>> Tim Wildmon: But keep working out.
>> Fred Jackson: I kept comfortable with that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, so like, I mean, we got manly men on this show.
>> Fred Jackson: I'm not going to stop in the middle. I got a mile and a half to go here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, it does get your attention for, for those who live in towns and communities where those, they have those civil defenses, you know, sirens, or sirens go off, but it, does get your attention. But yeah, it's like anything else. For people who live in tornado prone areas, you get a little bit desensitized to those, even those things, you shouldn't, but I guess you do, sometimes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: By the way, this story, you can read more about this on American family news website afn.net afn.net lots of great content there for you to find out additional information including, including, the recent tornadoes.
>> Fred Jackson: In fact, our lead story, you can see, not just read, you can see it afn.net right now. Afn.net Our military, people have been busy, lately blowing up, landmine, setting vessels in the Strait of Hormuz. All right, you can go to our website right now. You can watch a video of some of these vessels being hit by our crack military people over there. I'm still amazed when I see these videos of these torpedoes just right in, right over the top of these vessels. And you can see that right now in a.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can you believe Iran is still sending boats out? I mean, so that Strait of Hormuz, which we've talked about many, many times, which is very critical to the world economy, quite frankly.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes, it is.
>> Tim Wildmon: And it's only, 20 miles across from Iran to Saudi Arab. So Iran sent out mine, ships that plant mines so that the ships that come through there would blow up. Okay, so we destroyed them.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, we destroyed 16 of them, in the last 24 hours. so we have been busy.
>> Tim Wildmon: you know, Iran's on a losing streak. You know that, right?
>> Fred Jackson: No kidding.
>> Tim Wildmon: They can't catch a break.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, their leaders are leading that country militarily over a cliff.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. Whatever leaders they've got left the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, in this case.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right, yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: And President Trump is pretty proud of what we're doing to the Iranian navy. he was talking about it yesterday. Cut number one, Iran's drone and missile
>> Tim Wildmon: capability is being utterly demolished.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The navy is gone. It's all lying at the bottom of the ocean. 46 ships.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can you believe it?
>> Ed Vitagliano: In fact, I got a little upset with our people. I Said, what quality of ship excellent, sir.
>> Fred Jackson: Top of the line.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I said, why did we just capture the ship?
>> Tim Wildmon: We're going to use it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Why did we sink them? He said, it's more fun to sink them. He said, that's. They like sinking them better. They say it's safer to sink them. I guess it's probably true.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think after President Trump finishes his second term, he should go directly to the. Stand up. Yes. Because,
>> Wesley Wildmon: And make it. Make fun of his own self.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, no, that ain't gonna happen. That's not gonna be his stick. you know what? the United States military here, Operation Epic Fury. Yes. in all seriousness, they are just to bar from the, Bachman Turner Overdrive song. They're just taking care of business.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then they're taking names. this is remarkable. what they brought to bay. This must have been in the planning for a long time. But I guess what gets me a little bit is the Iranian military seems to be completely inept and completely unable to thwart anything that the Israelis or the United States does. And it's like. So I'm trying to think. Of course, I know these people don't always think rationally. Okay. Especially when they're driven by religious ideology. the, Shia Islamic religious ideology. But you have these mullahs over here. I don't know what they do by mullah we're talking about. Would it be religious leaders? Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so they command the military.
Up to 40 Iranian leaders may have died, according to reports
They. But the military has to know, hey, we're getting our tails kicked every day. Mr. Muller, now. Well, you want us continue with this, suicide mission. I'm just thinking if I'm their military, or do you want us to stop and you negotiate some kind of surrender? My guess would be if a military person offered that option to these, the Atolla or whoever's in charge now, maybe they would say, well, off with your head.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, I think that's. That's part of it. I'm sure you have true believers then Wesley let you jump in here. But I'm sure there are true believers who will go down with the ship, so to speak.
>> Tim Wildmon: And they're going down every day.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But I'm sure there are a lot of. A lot of people serving in the Iranian, military who, like you said, they don't want themselves or their families to be butchered. But, I mean, we're talking about ideologues who slaughtered, perhaps as many as 30,000 of their own people.
>> Tim Wildmon: But if the Military somehow decided to stage a coup or decided not to take the commands of these religious leaders any longer, then that would be the best case scenario right now for our, for our call.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, the only thing is, and then, Wesley, I'm gonna let you jump in here so you can talk. The only thing is the old expression, I'm paraphrasing here, I can't remember it exactly. If you're going to try to kill the king, don't miss.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: And so somebody's going to have to have enough, someone in the military is going to have to have enough people on their side to take that shot. Otherwise, if you don't succeed, you're a dead man. And that's what keeps people from taking that shot a lot of times when they have the chance.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, to my understanding though, most of the quote, kings are, have been killed and in the, out of there,
>> Tim Wildmon: a lot of the leaders in Iran have been killed over the last couple.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You know, I would say we're probably getting a lot closer to that point that we're all kind of anticipating where you're either going to have a, a, silver war, civil war, or B, you're going to have somebody step up that says we're willing to meet.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think they would have had a civil war now had the people been armed.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: But of course they never would have been had, 20 to 30,000 of their own citizens, killed by the Ayatollah, had they, you know, had, had weapons. And I mentioned yesterday, if you want to see the wisdom of our founding fathers, the second Amendment, that the citizenry have weapons themselves. That way they protect themselves, from tyranny. at least they have that out there, that option out there to use weapons to defend themselves. But in most countries they don't have that option because they don't to have a gun is illegal. And it's that way in, in there.
>> Ed Vitagliano: By the way, 13, at least 13 high ranking officials have been confirmed dead, including the Allie Khamenei, the supreme Leader of Iran. but reports indicating up to 40 Iranian leaders may have died, including senior military, intelligence and security figures.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think, we got to be getting close to reaching a point within the next week where we've destroyed everything we can destroy. It's time to come home. Seemed to me, I mean, there's nothing stopping, the airstrikes, be it the Israelis or us, now there's nothing to shoot them down, you know what I'm saying?
>> Wesley Wildmon: So, yeah, I said yesterday, I'm. I'm predicting the whole thing in total from m. Start to finish. And we're probably about halfway from what my prediction is this. Two months total.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Start from the first attack all the way to the end. As far as finding.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You just wonder how that conversation is going to go. Somebody's going to have to go tell the leader. And this guy, this guy, the leader is the, Ayatollah son. The one who got killed.
>> Ed Vitagliano: His son, Mojtaba Khomeini. I think they're pro.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, they.
>> Tim Wildmon: Somebody's gonna go tell him, hey, we got nothing left to fight with.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then he's gonna have to make a decision. Well, you know, by gosh. go out there and, you know, stand out there with a gun and look at the sky. I don't know. But we don't have anything to fight with any longer. What do you want us to do?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, someone like him, my guess and time will tell, is that he would be like the one that the true believers that's willing to go all the way to the end.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, all the way to the deepest bunker.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. Well, yes. Yeah, that's true. well, I mean, I just look at you. When I think of. And I'm, you know, I'm no deep dive here on the Middle east, but when I think of Iran, when I think of the Middle East, I think of Islam. When I think of Islam, I think of terrorism. When I think of terrorism, I think of people that will kill themselves at the expense of their religion.
>> Tim Wildmon: It is. It is fanatical.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I know that. I know that. I just. I just summarize just on a portion of 10% of right. Muslims. But that's what you think of. And if he's a leader of it. Right. You know, if he's a true believer, that's how you end up.
>> Tim Wildmon: Has he even spoken? Anybody ever heard him speak?
>> Ed Vitagliano: He. They had a succession rally in Tehran and he didn't even show up. Now that.
>> Tim Wildmon: For his own rally.
>> Ed Vitagliano: For his own succession rally. I'm guessing he just didn't think it was safe. Safe to do it. He's probably right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: because either Israel or the US can find.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know what. What worries me is, again, like, Wesley, I'm no military expert, but what worries me is I know how these.
Preborn: I'm seeing people criticize President Trump for going to war
The Hamas operate in Gaza, and that is when they get, And this is what I'm fearing the Iranians are about to do, they're going to put whatever Military, whatever, mobile missile launchers or whatever they have, they're going to put it in a hospital parking lot.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They're already starting to do that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're going to put it in a schoolyard, they're going to put it in a mosque or, something. In other words, to make the Israelis in the US Hit innocent people, on the ground and create collateral damage and then make the world outraged. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? That's worked time and again and worked in, Gaza.
>> Ed Vitagliano: In Gaza, the only problem for the Iranians is that, that a lot of their weaponry was scattered throughout the country to protect its borders. Gaza is small. Okay, so you, that's true. All your stuff was in kind of a restricted area anyway. Iran's a big country, 90 million people. But, all their military, military was, was spread out. You had to have missile launchers to protect your navy down on, you know, the coast. And so what Israel and the US did is we picked them apart before they could move a lot of that into, into like the capital.
>> Tim Wildmon: And if they use a missile launcher and some of them are mobile, they say a lot of them, then we're going to know exactly where that came from the minute it leaves and then we can go destroy it. So there, again, Iran, just looking at it from a rational, logical, they, they, they're going to have to surrender or they're not going to have a, they're not going to have anything left at all, in terms of their military.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So they probably would have done a good thing to meet before this all happened and made a deal.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, Trump tried to. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, Trump tried to meet with them and reason with them, but they were unreasonable people. Listen, this. Take a break right here, but come back with some more stories. But again, this comes down to. Because I'm seeing people criticize President Trump for going to war with Iran and the Israelis. And I would just say this, raise your hand if you just love to go to war. You know, I don't think anybody, anybody wants to go to war. And there are risks and there are downsides. That's right. But either you believe the Israelis and the American intelligence that these religious fanatics were about to happen, the capability of launching a, ah, nuclear weapon or, weapons. If that's true and President Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu do nothing to stop them when they could, and then they hit with their nuclear weapons in the name of Allah, then you know what everybody's going to be saying, you mean to tell me that President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu knew this was, imminent or, knew this could happen and they didn't do anything. That's what the world would say. That's what the Democrats would say. They would say he didn't even stop it when he could have. You see what I'm saying? So we'll be back momentarily.
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Today's Issues comes from American Family Radio Network with Abraham Hamilton iii
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Ed, Wesley and Fred. We're joined now by our colleague Abraham Hamilton iii. He's the host of the Hamilton Corner. Each afternoon on American Family radio from 5 to 6 o' clock Central Time. Abe, good, morning to you.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Good morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, before we jump into the topic that we're going to talk, what is the topic we're going to talk to Abe about?
Abe: It should become a normal conversation in America about Iranian ideology
Abe, do you remember?
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Well, I presented a question. I don't know if you guys decided you wanted to talk about it or not.
>> Tim Wildmon: What is that?
>> Abraham Hamilton III: and that is one of the things that I think that should be an immediate outcome following Operation Epic Fury is that it should become a normal conversation in America to discuss what the specifics are concerning the ideology of the murderous Iranian, regime. I mean, we talk about a rogue regime, but we had a previous president who sent them, you know, as President Trump said, pallets of cash you know, we're sending pallets of cash to people who literally believe they need to bathe the world in blood. And they have not moderated that position. And that's something that I think should be a more common conversation in our country as opposed to it just being viewed as you bump into a person in the grocery store. They wouldn't realize that the governing authority in Iran is just that. These apocalyptic, theocratic, murderous sycophants that most people wouldn't think that. And I think that needs to be a more common conversation in our country.
>> Tim Wildmon: Couldn't agree with you more. People need to be. And that's what we're trying to do here is educate people on what, you know, if you're, there m several different kinds of, many different kinds of ideologies that govern rule, countries around the world. And you have to deal with them, you know, as they are. As you say, if you're dealing with Communist China, you're dealing with a secular state, you're dealing with a, totalitarian state, authoritarian state, but you're dealing with people who are not driven by religious ideology. On the other hand, when you're talking about a different kind of, the different. Well, you are talking about a theocracy in Iran, you're talking about people that, unlike China, where he gets up thinking about how can I control the people and maintain power and so forth, this guy in Iran is thinking about how can I bring a rat about the end of the world and usher in the 12th Imam.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, so it's a different kind of, ideology. So you. We were talking earlier about, you know, why the one of these folks, under normal circumstances in Iran, if you were a country, like back in another war, you would say, I surrender. Okay? Because we have been destroyed, our military has been destroyed, and we're not going anywhere and there's no way to win this. So we're going to surrender, try to make the best we can peace deal, and maybe we'll get some aid and rebuilding, I don't know, rebuilding our country. But that's not the way these folks think. They think about, you know, last man, you know, they believe in sort of like kamikaze almost, except it's a religious, you know, die martyr, so to speak. So anyway, go ahead.
What is it that, uh, we need to understand about Hamas ideology
What is it that, we need to understand about, this ideology that the average person does not.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Well, to understand that that is the ideology. And so when, like you lay out, when you see them not responding to surrender when they've been, battered, as they've been battered even to date in Operation Epic Fury. If you don't understand that, you don't understand why they're not surrendering. But they believe by not surrendering, they're doing better, to facilitate their ideology. It's this same ideology that undergirds groups like Hamas, where you have billions of dollars being poured into them from all over the world. But instead of building, you know, hospitals and schools and things to help their people and their citizens, no, they spend the billions of dollars building underground tunnel systems. Well, what are they building underground tunnel systems for? Because they want to hasten the end of the world. They want to see people die and murder in maim. When you see October 7th, that was not an aberration for them. That was consistent with their ideology. Now, I think that conversation.
>> Ed Vitagliano: we lose. We lose them.
Abe: There should be a conversation in this country about Islamic ideology
can, I just toss a question to the panel?
>> Tim Wildmon: Toss it to Fred, because Fred hasn't spoken.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Fred, did you want to say something about what we were talking about? And then I do have a question. If we can't get a back.
>> Fred Jackson: I agree with Abe's premise that after this conflict, there should be a conversation in this country about the Islamic ideology and what they're all about. They are about suppression. They are about everybody needs to surrender to us. But, you know, I go back to 9 11, and you would think when we had Islamic terrorists hit this country, 3,000 people died. you would think in the wake of that, in this country, we would have had a better understanding and a warning that went out. But instead, what happened on our university campuses, you had Muslim student groups starting, and you had the idea Islam is a peaceful religion. And those guys who flew those planes into the Twin Towers and crashed into Pennsylvania and went into the Pentagon, they were just a tiny element of radicals. That's not us, Fred.
>> Ed Vitagliano: NewSong York City, one of the worst hit on 9 11. Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: The problem where you're going with this.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. They elected a Muslim mayor.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So what has happened? There is a disconnect.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Between the reality that the Western countries are facing, and what they think is happening in the West. They think these are just a lot of peaceful people coming in and.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And there's no problem.
>> Tim Wildmon: Are we getting a back or. No, you're working on it. Brick Freely, our producer, is working on it.
We need to consider Islam and especially Islamism, which is basically real Islam
>> Ed Vitagliano: I do have a question just to toss to the panel while we're waiting, because I think we're coming to a place where, just like the Western countries realize that Fascism in World War II and then communism afterwards. Were, you. You could not allow fascism to exist and maintain your own freedoms. I think we are coming to. Now, Europe may be past this point, but we are certainly hitting it here in this country. We need to consider Islam and especially Islamism, which is basically real Islam. We're taking over and doing whatever we can to take over. That. That just cannot be allowed to be taught on college campuses. and what I'd like to ask Abe, and maybe we'll just have to do this another time. How do Western cultures maintain their own freedom of speech while saying you can't advocate for the overthrow of Western values that's not covered by free speech. I don't know how you save free speech as a value and a principle and then let what's happening even in this country go on with Islam.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can I offer a. This may come out wrong, but, I'm gonna offer. Let me see if Abe's here, and then we'll offer it to him.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Abraham offered to me.
>> Fred Jackson: I went to.
>> Tim Wildmon: I could offer it to you at the law school. I was gonna offer it to our listeners.
>> Wesley Wildmon: YouTube.
>> Tim Wildmon: I was gonna offer to our listeners, you know, somebody's got to play the liberal on here, and that's you. I was gonna do it. Not that I believe my own words. I gotta. I gotta throw. Throw an idea here. We got a back. Okay. where. Where do we drop? Where do we leave this a. Wow.
>> Dr. Josh Mulvihill: I was still talking. I was talking about the Muslim. About. About the. The. The money that's been spent in Iran. Not only Iran and with Hamas to build underground tunnels. And to most American citizens, that makes no sense at all. If you have people that are starving and need help with food and things of that nature, why would you not use the money for that? Well, because their ideology is we have to bathe the world in blood. But that's what I was thinking.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, you guys were talking.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, we were. And we can talk
>> Ed Vitagliano: with the best of them.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. let me just, say I'm joking about being the liberal, but let me just say this. what makes it hard to discuss in this topic is when we're talking about Islam, first of all, there are branches of Islam, okay? It's not monolithic. You have the Sunnis, you have the Shia, you have some offshoots of Islam around the world. Secondly, what makes it difficult just to slant, just to be crit. Now we can talk about the history of Islam and how they use the sword to conquer yes, but you cannot, if you're trying to be a, peacemaker and be diplomatic and have, have relations, you cannot castigate a whole religion based on the actions of a few.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you do that, you're going to have to be really careful how you do it because, because, you have, there, there are many of the Arab countries that are also Sunni Muslim. They don't like the radicals any more than we do. Okay. if you take Saudi Arabia, they don't like the Bin Laden's in their country because they're a threat to, the rule of the Saudi, family, whatever they call that. The Egyptians, they've done away with the Muslim Brotherhood as an effective organization. That's the radical branch of Islam inside Egypt. Jordan doesn't have these people who won't. They've been at peace with Israel, and you know what I'm saying? And they're Muslim.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And in fact, that's what Iran. One of the things Iran was known for is trying to get those more radical versions in charge of places like Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
>> Tim Wildmon: So I'm just saying you can't just castigate. Is Islam a false religion? the Bible teaches that. Yeah. Because it's not worshiping the Jewish, the true God of the Bible. So yes, it's a false religion, just like other religions are. But, So, do you understand what I'm. Fred, do you understand what I'm trying to say here? You just got it on a diplomatic level. And really, in fairness, you got to be careful about just slamming all Muslims and saying they're all terrorists. Go ahead.
>> Fred Jackson: No, I agree.
Where do you draw the line when Muslims gather on streets for prayer
And Abe, question for you and the panel. But where do you draw the line in this country now? we have cities where the call to prayer over speakers. Is that a signal that, okay, we're entering a danger zone here. Or when Muslims gather on streets, whether it's NewSong York or wherever the case may be for prayer.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They shut down Times Square.
>> Fred Jackson: They shut down Times Square. Is that a tipping point where you say, wait a minute, these, folks, because that's symbolic of. We want to take over this city. When they take over a street to pray, that is a signal that is more than just a prayer meeting. That is a signal that we want to take over this turf. Where legally. Abe, you're the expert here. Where legally can this country draw a line?
>> Dr. Josh Mulvihill: Yeah, I want to answer that question, but I want to respond to the comments Tim made as well, because I think Tim's comments are definitely reasonable. And I think Tim's comments raise the reason why I'm saying what I'm saying it should become a more common phenomenon for Americans to be able to articulate, well, what is the most violent sex, what is the most likely, iteration or source of the violence. Like you literally have the Iranian governmental apparatus prior to Operation Epic Fury is, was and still is today. One that is among the 12 imams, these twelvers that want to bathe the world in blood. This is what they are trying to export around the world. We say the world's number one state sponsor of terror. That is a true statement, but it's not one that, that clearly communicates why this type of ideology should be identified and excoriated around the world. You know, it's no different than us being able to make the. Well, I won't say no different. I'll say it's akin to us being able to make the distinction between, you know, a communist Chinese regime that wants to be the world's number one superpower versus kind of Marxist leaning Nordic states. Who's. Who like Scandinavian states, I mean not Nordic Scandinavian states. And like the Swedes and others who kind of moderate that position over time. They did share the common ideology, but they tried to moderate that position. I feel like the American people are often destabilized and sometimes are surprised to learn that you have people say these things like you had, but Zorahamdani who said a couple, couple of weeks ago that, you know, his faith begins with Muhammad being a minority going into Medina, when I had Bill Federer on my show last night, who was saying, yeah, you know what Mamdani left out that five years after Muhammad entering Medina there was not a Jew left innocent. He left that part out, you know. And so what I'm saying, by having a populace who's not aware of that part of Muhammad's history, we are disarmed, so to speak. In order to properly assess, it's the responsibility is on Mamdani to identify, oh, I condemn the fact that Muhammad led to the slaughter of Jews who remained in town, those who enslaved and other things of that nature. If he's going to come out and say, oh, I have this warm and fuzzy feeling about my journey in America being similar to, to Muhammad's journey into Medina. That's what I'm saying. And to the point that, that, that Fred made. I know this has been a long stop right here. We have laws. Anytime anybody violates our laws, they should be arrested and they should be prosecuted. You can't shut down the City street for any reason. We have a First Amendment, but I can't just make a unilateral decision. We're going to have a Christ centered prayer meeting at city hall and shut down city halls just because I want to exercise my faith. No, we. We have laws that have to be complied with. And we know from history that when you're able to shut down a city block in the name of your prayer meeting, that it is a, an exercise in external demonstration of an effort towards subjugation that is not private generation of anybody's religious faith.
Wesley: Would it be constitutional to say nobody who espouses western values can serve
Sorry for the long, guys.
>> Ed Vitagliano: All right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I just wanted.
>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, so let me, let me. We were talking while we were trying to get you back, Abe, about the strain that the First Amendment is put under when you're dealing with an ideology like Islam. Do you think we can ever come to a place, let's say, on the political sphere, because we don't have all day to talk about all the other areas that. In the political sphere, would it be constitutional to say nobody who believes that western values are paramount, of paramount importance, can serve in politics? In other words, you have a, it sounds like a religious test, and I know that's constitutionally prohibited, but do you think the time would come where we say if you cannot wholeheartedly uphold our Western values, you, can't serve in government? And I'm specifically talking about these radical Muslims who want to take over, become mayors and so on and so forth.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is Mandani a radical?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I don't. I don't know if he is. But what about that with the. I know we have.
>> Tim Wildmon: We.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You can't have a religious test, but this religion has people in it that say Sharia law is above everything, including
>> Wesley Wildmon: the Constitution, including swearing on the Quran with their hand as opposed to.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, well, what about that, Abe?
>> Dr. Josh Mulvihill: Well, the Article 4 of the US Constitution guarantees that every American ser. Every American citizen a right to a. To a constitutional republican form of government. Anybody who cannot, who does not commit themselves to upholding our Constitution disqualifies themselves from being able to serve in our government. I mean, I, I understand what you're saying, and I know what the application becomes challenging, but it is not unreasonable nor illegal to require those who are serving our government to protect and defend our Constitution.
Tim Hamilton: Three panelists discuss Islamic extremism on American Family Radio
>> Wesley Wildmon: All right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or Wesley's got a question, and I do. I have a comment after Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: All right. A. This panel right here, I'm the. I'm the layperson with very little education, and I'm the one that I usually, ask for forgiveness versus permission. All right. In this panel. So, I'm looking at this. I hear what we're all saying, and we've been dealing with this for years. I think Fred alluded to the issue about how, this ideology often gets swept under in the emotional side of the not all type position. However, we have for me, layperson here, decades, decades, generations, hundreds of years, thousands of years of this ideology being radically different than Hinduism, than atheism. Then, as it relates to the blood thirstiness of terrorism, my first reaction is everything else we've said is secondary to if you swear, if you put your hand on a Quran and you swear by it in the United States, you shouldn't be able to be elected. but anyways. But I guess I'm more of the. Like I said, I don't.
>> Tim Wildmon: Islamic foe.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm an Islamic phobe.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what you would be called if you said. Let me, let me. Did you. Was that just a comment or it was a layman's.
>> Wesley Wildmon: yeah, I guess we're saying is it where. But I think I had that, statement before you. I think you answered it while answering Ed's question about Article 4 and about. the end of the day, even though I'm pretty emotional about this, there, There is a standard in which you have to adhere to. To be. To be an elected office, which is you have to agree the Constitution. You have to follow the Constitution.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, you're listening to the radio program Today's issues on American Family Radio. I'm Tim, Ed Wesley and Fred.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I go back to my corner.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Abraham Hamilton the third joining us, host of the Hamilton Corner each afternoon.
Tim Ferriss: What would you say to someone who says Christians hypocrites
All right, guys, I'm gonna throw this one out. I'll tell this out at, Abe first and then you guys, because I got. I got you right here.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, here's what, here's what, that great thinker, probably Whoopi Goldberg. Did I say Goulberg?
>> Ed Vitagliano: You said ghoul. You said Google.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was a slip of the tongue. I did not mean to insult.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That was a Freudian.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, Goberg. Okay, so, how would we. All of us are Christians here. We believe in the Bible's admonition, the teachings of Jesus to spread our faith.
>> Abraham Hamilton III: Right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, what would you say, Abe, to someone who says, well, you Christians here are a bunch of hypocrites. Because now I could talk about the value of hypocrisy, but later. But I mean, they would say, okay, you're wanting to, you don't believe, that, that Islam should, be proselytized in America. You're warning about the dangers of that. All the while you folks about, you folks teach about surrendering your life to Jesus Christ and putting that above the Constitution. so I'm not. They, they would say. I'm not seeing the difference between. You say you're a Christian first and American second. And, and a Muslim says, well, I'm a Muslim first and an American second. What's the difference?
>> Dr. Josh Mulvihill: I have one huge difference.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, go ahead.
>> Dr. Josh Mulvihill: When the last time. What was the last time you had a Christian who, killed somebody in the name of Christ and built an entire government regime that is seeking the development of technology for the express purposes of blowing up every non Christian so that we can hasten the end of the world?
>> Tim Wildmon: That's a good answer. That's a good answer. Because they, they're going to say, you, you guys are for proselytizing just like the Muslims are. What's the difference? Ed, what would you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I would, I would say. I certainly agree with what Abe says. I would say that, there is a difference between someone. A Christian. Now there are. That's a great question, Tim, because there
>> Tim Wildmon: are why I'm here.
>> Ed Vitagliano: There are Christian denominations that don't think Christians should be involved at all in politics, or culture. and I understand that. But the majority of Christians believe we have a right to build our communities and our nation together. I think I'm fine with everyone practicing their religion, their faith. I certainly believe Christians should be able to do that, and they should be able to try to convince their fellow Americans to vote, for our values. Because our argument in the public square is that our values are good for everyone. Everyone benefits by following God's laws. But I'm not going to force someone to believe the way I believe, and I'm certainly not going to kill them. Certainly not going to advocate murdering a Christian who decides to leave the Christian faith and Islam by, the admission of its own teachers. Islam does not support democracy, it does not support a republic, and their views are in contradiction to or, contradictory to the values we share under the Constitution. Whereas the Constitution came out of a Christian worldview.
>> Tim Wildmon: So that's a very good distinguishing point and that's hugely important because I think the average American out there when it comes to religions are dumb as a rock. You see what I did there with the Iraq thing where Muslims live for the most part, I think m. The average American is ignorant. They think all religions are the same pretty much. If you were to ask. Well, they believe in God too. And you know, well, they feed the poor. They feed the poor out believing goodness and so they're not very discerning. Or have they educated themselves on the things we've been talking about here this morning? Because fundamentally Islam as a religion is totally incompatible with Western style democracy. That is just plain as day. If you look at where Muslim countries, where Muslims dominate countries, they don't have Western style democracy. And so for us, who you think we're being paranoid here and Islamophobic.
>> Wesley Wildmon: No, they have no go zones.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, it's only that we're worried that if you get a majority of significant number of Muslims in a country, they turn it in to what we see in the Middle East.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And that's not an unreasonable fear.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: To have, that's. You call that Islamophobic if you want to, but that's a reasonable look at, reality. We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.
