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Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Paisley Jordan

>> Ed Vitagliano: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your

>> Steve Jordahl: host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio. Tim with Ed, thanks for listening to afr. And now, Steve Paisley Jordan joins us. Good morning, Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.

>> Tim Wildmon: Good, weekend for you there, brother Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: Man, I had the best weekend. I took my bride to, Colorado Springs. I spent 15 years there, and I've been married now for five years. And I've always wanted to introduce Heather to some of my dearest friends back there. And so we got to go, we got to meet a couple of them. Stayed with my cousin who is, works full time for the Navigators, you know, the Colorado Group. Yeah, he, is in charge of their. Well, he does. Speaking for them and everything, but, he's such a good host. We stayed with them, had a great time.

What are the top three things to see if you go to Colorado Springs

>> Tim Wildmon: Just what's the top, what are the top three, things to see if you go to Colorado Springs?

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, the, the Air Force Academy is probably number one, right? guard.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are they open to public tours?

>> Steve Jordahl: They do. They have a brand new welcome center that they've just put up within the last couple of years. and so you can go see that. You can, see the, the cadets marching around and everything. number two would probably be Garden of the Gods.

>> Tim Wildmon: What is that? that is like a pagan worship place.

>> Steve Jordahl: It does, doesn't it? To me, if you look it up, it's a park, basically. There's some red. I don't even know what material it is, but it juts right out of the ground. And, it's the most beautiful place. it's so good that, the Indians, who the original they named it after, said it must be the Garden of the Gods.

>> Tim Wildmon: And I know some Indians are known for their good, solid theology.

>> Steve Jordahl: That's true. I have some friends who now call it God's Garden every. Because it is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, I'm just kidding around. It's a site to go.

>> Steve Jordahl: And number three would be focus on the family.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, but what about Pikes Peak?

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, that's, that would, that's there too.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's still there, right?

>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, yeah. It dominates Pikes, Peak. I love when I lived there. And again, I spent 15 years there. I told myself when I first got there, there wasn't going to be a day that if the weather permitted and the clouds weren't in the way, I was going to note. And look, at Pikes Peak, it's just so majestic.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. Have you been to the top?

>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, yeah. You can drive to the top. You could walk to the top.

>> Tim Wildmon: Is it true the, song, America the Beautiful was written by a, ah, woman who was inspired by her, The breathtaking view from the top of

>> Steve Jordahl: purple mountains majesty was, inspired by Pikes Peak? That is correct. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Now when you, when you say, you can go and, and watch the cadets. I think one time when I was in NewSong York City, I saw the cadets. Is that the, that kind of, Broadway, dance routine where the girls pick up their legs?

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And that's them. That. The rock. The rock.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think that's a rocket. Yeah. If you went to that, you would know the difference.

>> Steve Jordahl: You might.

>> Tim Wildmon: Between the rock. If you saw them in person, you would definitely know the difference.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Folks, I've never seen the Rockettes except on tv.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Is there something wrong with seeing the Rockettes?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't know. It's just the way they dance. Showing an awful lot of leg there, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are they.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I remember the Rockettes for I, I think it was on some, when I was growing up, these, variety shows.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Remember they would have the Rockettes on every once in a while and.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: What's the name of the building that they perform in?

>> Tim Wildmon: Radio City Music Hall.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: And that's on tours. If you. That they're still kicking it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. They say, well, not the ladies that I probably saw on Lawrence Welk, but

>> Steve Jordahl: kicked something else at that point, probably.

World Health Organization expanding certification system focused on migration and displacement

>> Tim Wildmon: Next story, Steve.

>> Steve Jordahl: All right, I used to, have a subscription to a little magazine called the Week. I don't know if you guys have ever seen it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I remember that.

>> Steve Jordahl: It's a great digest. It was a great news digest. They had a section there called Boring but Important, and I want to bring something which might qualify under boring but important. The World Health Organization. Reading from, a substack. Ah, Author named Natalie Winters. The World Health Organization is expanding a digital certification system first deployed during COVID into a new phase focused on migration and displacement. So basically, the ID system that they used to identify people during COVID they're now making it a permanent function and they're going to switch to that so that they can, follow and help migration, help people get from one country to the next. This is basically streamlining migration, illegal or whatever, but they're providing, World Health Organization is getting in the business of making sure that, a lot of people cross our borders.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Let me ask you something, Steve. You do a lot of research and interviews on these kind of things. What is it about globalists that makes them so supportive of migration? You think they're just trying to end nation states as we know it so they can have a global, international government?

>> Steve Jordahl: I think the idea of some kind of global utopia, one world government, you know, giving them, maybe the benefit of the doubt for their intentions. I don't know if you can, but, they, Some people think that if we can get rid of the borders, new wars, you know, it's John Lennon's, song all over. And that's what they see as a possibility, but inherent in all of these kind of things, it's always power.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: You know, well, it's just.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's just stunning to me that they want to streamline migration and to help migrants circumvent national safeguards.

>> Steve Jordahl: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: They're becoming an enemy of nation states, I think, with the purpose of trying to eliminate nations. And you got to have government somewhere, and it's going to all be United nations or some other international organization.

>> Steve Jordahl: she writes just. Natalie Winters writes, what began as a tool for verifying vaccination status at borders is now being adapted to use in refugee flows, migration corridors, and humanitarian response environments. And unlike the COVID era measures, it is not being framed as temporary. It is being built into the system. Yeah, so all kinds of.

There are more American troops headed to the Middle East, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: I got a question for you fellas here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right.

>> Tim Wildmon: there's a lot more American troops headed to the Middle east, right? Like 10,000 more, is that right?

>> Steve Jordahl: That's what they say.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, if you include the, 82nd Airborne and the Marines that are on their way.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Why are they going over there?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we don't. We're not being told. President Trump has said, well, maybe we'll take Carg Island. that's the location for a lot of the, oil refinery. Refinery refineries say that three times fast. I couldn't even say it one time. Slow, slowly. And it's kind of like, the area where the oil, is put into tankers so they can. The oil can be transported to countries that are buying it. But other than that, I don't know what they intend to do with, There's very minimal number of troops, even 10,000. That sounds a lot to us. But that's a country of 93 million people. You're not going to invade Iran with 10,000 troops or even the other 40,000 that we have stationed around the Middle East. 50,000 isn't enough. I'm not sure what they're going to do.

>> Steve Jordahl: I think when you start, sometimes you can start something that can get out of hand. Like, I don't know if we were talking off the line or if this was on air about fires that someone set in. I guess it was someone who was talking earlier today at our meeting. You said intended to burn some boxes in the back. And all of a sudden they're calling the fire department to make sure it doesn't burn the forest and house down. I think Donald Trump has the best of intentions and I think he thinks he has it in hand and he might have it in hand. I certainly don't. And not privy to all the classified information that he knows. But I think also you get to a point where, well, now we have no choice but to send troops because, you know, we're here. It just, it consumes you, it pulls you, drags you, it sucks you in. I think he wouldn't be the first president should this end up being the quote, unquote, boots on the ground scenario that everybody is worried about. And I don't know that it will, but I think you could make an argument that the war just kind of sucked Trump, in. I mean, well, the first Gulf war,

>> Ed Vitagliano: almost 700,000 U.S. troops were deployed to the Persian Gulf region for, for that war.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now, we invaded Iraq.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We invaded, that was after Iraq, took Kuwait. And you remember, we took our time getting everything in place. We expected high casualties from that. It turned out to not be as dangerous an operation. It was carried out perfectly, all of that. But the Iraqi, army, even though it was, I think at the time, fourth largest in the world, I don't think they're like the Islamic, Revolutionary Guard in, core in Iran. And the terrain in Iran is much different than that flat desert.

>> Steve Jordahl: That's what I was going to say

>> Ed Vitagliano: where we were able to, you know, do a. Remember, Norman Schwarzkopf went, you know, did an end run and went around the dug in Iraqi positions and, and you just can't do that in Iran. A lot of mountains in Iran and probably would need similar amounts of troops. And I think it could turn into a bloodbath. and that's my fear for our military, our men and women.

>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know. It could turn out well, it could.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I mean, they might collapse.

>> Steve Jordahl: How do you get into the guy's head? I think, everything that you digest through, the mainstream media, you take with a grain. We've always counseled this take with a grain of salt because there's a Bias there. They. Especially when it concerns anything concerning the government or the War Department. They do not like Donald Trump. They do not like.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But I'm not going by the mainstream media.

>> Steve Jordahl: No.

>> Tim Wildmon: Going on Trump's own word.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I'm not doing that either. I look at sources that are, you know, former military or whatever. This is a. Listen, President Trump may have this well in hand. I'm, I'm not trying to criticize the president during a war. Okay. he may actually be having conversations with people in Iran. Iran may very well be near collapse and may need a little bit of a push for that regime to fall. I'm saying that the expert. I say the experts that, that I read, I can't even name them. I just know where to go when I'm, when I'm searching. they're saying this is a very risky proposition, that we're going to eventually wind up seeing this escalate and we put boots on the ground, like dropping the US Marines into Carg island, which has probably been mined.

>> Tim Wildmon: For those who don't know, that's an island in the, Adriatic.

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, it's. It's in the Gulf. It's, the Gulf. Gulf of Oman. this is the island off the coast of Iran where they, have an oil refinery, I think. And that's. This is where oil is loaded onto tankers that take that oil to be sold to other countries. It sits off the, the coast of Iran. And, the U.S. has threatened to take it because it would. If you could do it and keep it, you could put a tremendous economic squeeze on Iran because that is going to fund everything they're trying to accomplish. But I'm sure it's targeted for missiles, drone strikes. Those Marines probably mined, those Marines that land there. You're going to have to bring in other troops to keep them safe or to even be able to extract them if you need. this. I'm certainly hoping and praying for the best. I don't want this to turn into a bloodbath for our Marines, or soldiers.

>> Steve Jordahl: I read as much as, I can about this, and I try to be very, careful in who I trust. And we're all trying to project into the future what might happen. the only empirical evidence that I have to go on is the track record. And to this point, everything is going very well.

Steve King: President Trump is sending more troops to fight Iran

And, I'm going to hope and pray and kind of my guess is that things, are going to go well, that this is in hand until I'm proven Wrong. Because to this point, the only things you can point to are successes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I just. When you sit, when you're sending, you know, tens of thousands of more troops into the, A, war theater, you know, it does suggest at least that the president is considering sending them to fight.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Somewhere.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Over there. And boots, quote, boots on the ground would be a game changer, in my opinion, with the American, public.

>> Steve Jordahl: I read a story, well, especially

>> Ed Vitagliano: since I understand what you're saying, Steve. I don't disagree. We're all hoping and praying this doesn't turn into a disaster, catastrophe. But the president said when we started, no boots on the ground, we can do this by air. And now we can't, obviously, if we're sending troops. So that means to me that things have already moved outside of the parameters, at least publicly stated by the president, and that means that things can continue to get out of hand. And, I don't know. I. I have family members who are in the military. I don't want them seen being sent into a meat grinder. I do, I do approve of the fact that the president, with Israel, we decided what other presidents have said. Iran can't have nuclear weapons. President Trump said, all right, then we're going to get the job done. Okay, but now the president has said we're going to take their oil. And that is not simply we're going to keep them from getting nuclear weapons. I don't want this thing, expanding mission creep, whatever you want to call it, into something that drags us into another war and maybe tanks, the economy. Listen, none of us knows if God's favor is on President Trump, which I pray that it is, maybe this is going to get done. Iran will have regime change. The Middle east will have a great deal more peace. President Trump should get every award that is known to man if he's able to pull this off. On the other end of the spectrum is Russia says, well, you guys can do it. You can take what you want. We're going to invade Poland, and China says we're taking Taiwan, and North Korea says we're taking South Korea. And I'm not saying, and their oil. And their oil. This is what I don't want to see happen. So this is on a spectrum, and maybe it's not going to be the worst or the best of things that happen. Maybe it's somewhere in the middle.

>> Steve Jordahl: From the political point of view, what you're expressing was, right smack dab in the middle of cpac, and it Divided the people. I was reading an article. It divided the people. That there. This is one thing that could. Because there's all kinds of rumors now about a split in MAGA with all the Candace Owens weird stuff, Tucker Carlsen stuff. That's not a split. This could be.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Anyway, we should be praying for the president and his administration. He's, jumped into it and it is kicked over the hornet's nest. And we need to pray that God gives wise counsel and God helps, because the Iranian regime is evil. It is absolutely evil. We couldn't let them get a nuclear weapon. I will credit President Trump and the Israelis, too. And the Israelis.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, the Israelis have inflicted a lot of damage on the hierarchy there of the, regime. They would like to see a regime change. Because people say, well, why. Well, if, if you had a country that was, that, could fire missiles and potentially a nuclear weapon at you, and they've been, every morning they get up saying, death to America, Death to Israel. And that's their religious beliefs. These aren't people you can reason with necessarily in a logical way. They're motivated by their religious ideology, which is, if you read about them, it's, it's, apocalyptic in view. I'm talking about the mullahs who are in charge of Iran. And so you're dealing with people who are, you know, keep telling you they hate you and they want to kill, kill all the Jews and they keep funding Hezbollah and Hamas and, and, so you just, you know, if you're Israel, you're going, well, you know what? We're tired of living like this, and they threatened us, and they're about to get a weapon that can just wipe us, wipe us out here. Now, Israel would retaliate and wipe them out, too. But if you're, if you're, if you're.

>> Steve Jordahl: That's what they want.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, yes, but if you're committed to religious, ideology, you may not necessarily

>> Steve Jordahl: care that that's the goal. I think the goal is emulation of the. That's going to bring on whatever their wealth. IMAM yeah, so, so, yeah, they don't care who pulls the triggers. Pulled.

>> Tim Wildmon: So I say that to say, well, why did Israel, Why Israel acted so decisively? I think they decided we're tired of living with this threat. And these people are about to get a weapon, a weapon that could, you know, we live the Holocaust again here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: And they didn't, they didn't want to take that chance. I think that's what Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel came to 10 to the U.S. remember, about a month ago. Yeah. Or six weeks ago. He met with President Trump for three hours, quote, behind closed doors, and didn't take questions and left. I think they were discussing what Israel was going to do, and it basically probably. I said, probably led to, you know, Benjamin Netanyahu saying, are. Are you. Are you with us or not? Because we're. We're. We're going to do what.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We're doing. It.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're going to have to do. We have to do as much as we can to. To protect our country.

>> Steve Jordahl: To this point, it feels like the United States has wielded the sledgehammer and Israel is, fighting with the scalpel. I don't know just what United States.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, you mean. I, see what you're saying.

President Trump says US has hit 13,000 targets in Iran

I didn't mean to suggest scalpel. You mean they're.

>> Steve Jordahl: They're taking over precision.

>> Tim Wildmon: Precision, yeah, they're precision, yeah. They're trying to take out the leadership.

>> Steve Jordahl: They take the lead.

>> Tim Wildmon: And they're also, their capability to launch these, missiles into Iran, that means into Israel.

>> Steve Jordahl: And they're, targeting specific, stops, you know, like checkpoints.

>> Tim Wildmon: President Trump said, you know, we've. We've hit what, 10,000 or 13. What do you say? 13,000 targets, and we got 3,000 more to go.

>> Steve Jordahl: I didn't see that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Quote, he talks more about war out. Should probably be behind closed doors only, but he just talks out loud. yeah, he said that we've hit 10,000. We got 3,000 more to go. That's what he's. Targets. Yeah, is what he said.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So, by the way, I think I said Cargill, and I forget what I said. It's in the Persian Gulf, not the Gulf of Oman.

>> Steve Jordahl: Persian Gulf. Yeah, it's. It's. And it's way north of the Straight. The. The Trump Straits. Yeah, straight, of Trump.

>> Tim Wildmon: So Trump also said that, the US Is in, quote, serious discussions with a, quote, new and more reasonable regime in Iran, but warns if a ceasefire is not agreed to, the US Will hit strikes, hit sites it has purposely not yet touched.

>> Steve Jordahl: I think we're in the driver's seat. I just don't know if we're going to crash the car yet.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. Sound like a country song, doesn't it?

Federal Election Commission says Alexandria Ocasio Cortez improperly used campaign funds

Next story.

>> Steve Jordahl: All right, a watchdog, group called the National Legal and Policy center has filed 27 complaints with the Federal Election Commission saying that Alexandria Ocasio Cortez improperly used campaign funds about 20,000, $19,000 worth. Of campaign funds. She said they were being used for leadership training and consulting. But they, in fact, according to this National Legal and Policy center, went to a psychiatrist named Dr. Brian Boyle, who is, known for, interventional psychiatry. Specializes in treating depression, ptsd, anxiety, specifically through ketamine therapy.

>> Tim Wildmon: What is that?

>> Steve Jordahl: Ketamine is drug. It's a low dose anesthetic. basically it's a. It's a pill to make you not care as much.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So, Alexandria Ocasio. So we don't know whether she's guilty of this or not. Right. Or guilty of. It's criminal. It would be a misuse of campaign finance spending violation under federal election law. But she characterized it as being leadership training. Maybe she was talking about herself. Yeah, she's getting leadership training by going to this psychiatrist.

>> Steve Jordahl: Well, they say it's a misuse of, the funds, so.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, it's certainly not leadership training as the Federal Elections Commission,

>> Steve Jordahl: not as she wants to portray it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Ah.

>> Steve Jordahl: And the PTSD might be from her time in Germany when she tried to come out on the national stage and just got. Got kicked. She did not.

>> Ed Vitagliano: She. Well, she. Is she giving signs that she wants to run for president Democratic.

>> Steve Jordahl: She was up until the fiasco in Germany, a couple months ago.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Is that where she was asked?

>> Steve Jordahl: She was asked for policy question. Yeah, for policy about Taiwan. And she almost couldn't tell where it was. It was.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: So not a good look.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. The maps of Iraq. Such as. Such as.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, such as the Iraq. Google Ms. South Carolina, people. I want to know what we're talking about here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, that's one of the war. That is probably one of. That's a. That's a top 20 most embarrassing moments in world history.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. But anyway, bless her heart, she survived it in South Carolina. She survived it. She's all right. We'll, see you back here tomorrow, babe. Thanks to Steve, Ed and, I don't have time. Everybody else are joining us today.