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Welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network

Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Today's Tuesday, March 31, 2026. So fools beware. Giving you fair warning. Tomorrow's your day.

>> Dave Williams: Good.

>> Tim Wildmon: morning, Wesley Wildmon.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Good morning. We got a couple up our sleeve here at the nfa.

>> Tim Wildmon: Fools for the staff. Oh, tricks.

>> Wesley Wildmon: No, I didn't say that. You said the fools.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, you did. I thought you were going to give a comma there. We've got a couple of those on staff, meaning fools. good morning, Ray Pritchard. Good morning, Ray.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, I volunteer if you're looking for a fool. I'll do the. I'll do the best I can, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Dallas home used to have, you know, the legendary gospel singer from the 70s and 80s. He used to have a song called I'll be a fool for you, Jesus. it was a great song.

Ray: We moved back to Kansas City over the weekend from Florida

All right, Ray, you moved back to Kansas City, did you?

>> Tim Wildmon: we did. Over the weekend. we left our park model there in central Florida, where the weather right now is in the upper 70s. You know, another beautiful day, and we made our way back to Kansas City, to Shawnee, Kansas. let's see, we got here, Sunday sometime, and so we've been feverishly unpacking and trying to get back into the rhythm of things here in Kansas. It's, it's all good. It's a little bit cooler in Kansas and Florida, but that's the way it's supposed to be.

>> Tim Wildmon: Springtime is almost ready to arrive there in Kansas City, if it hasn't already. So you trekked across the southern, part of the US into the Midwest there from Tampa. Where. How did you get there?

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, we came up to interstate, 10 to Tallahassee, then Mariama, up to Dothan, up to Montgomery, up to Birmingham, and then i22, we waved at, AFA as we're passing by Tupelo, then to Memphis, Jonesboro, Arkansas. Arkansas. And then cut across the Ozarks up to Springfield, where we stopped at the BUC EE's which is, you know, that's a requirement. Stopped at the BUC EE's to refill, and then, on up to Kansas City.

>> Tim Wildmon: They have a BUC EE's in Springfield?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Springfield was huge. And. And Tim, it was. You would have thought you were going to the super bowl for the lines of cars, lined up, from the interstate to get there. I don't even see how that building could hold all those people.

>> Chris Woodward: I stopped at one, Bucky's location in, Athens, Alabama, in northern Alabama, as we were, going to Nashville a couple of weeks ago. And there was somebody next to us as we were entering the building. He had never been to one. And he went, wow,

>> Tim Wildmon: if you've never been to a Buc EE's, you need to go and walk in one because, you know, they. It's like a Kroger and a gas

>> Wesley Wildmon: station and, I don't know, any convenience store and a Target cracker.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. That's right. It's all of that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Now, the ones we've stopped at are all in the South. Is that pretty much where it comes?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they started in Texas, the Bucky chain did, and they're spreading across the country. I don't know how many they've got, outside of the Southeast, we're going

>> Chris Woodward: back to the moon. So, I mean, they could do a funny thing. They can put one on the moon for when we eventually all make it up there.

>> Dave Williams: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ah, don't give Elon Musk any ideas.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: He'll put a Buc Ees on the Mars. Yeah, we're going to occupy Mars, you know, before long.

>> Wesley Wildmon: For those who have not been to BUC EE's, it is an experience. For those that are just thinking they're just getting gas.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah. And they got the gas pumps, my friend.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, yeah. They got them, wrapped around the hole.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah, they got the gas pumps. All right. You're listening to today's issues. Dr. Frank Turek will be with us at the bottom of the hour, host of I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. He's going to be on the campus of, the University of Mississippi tonight. and we're going to tell that m. Where's that Tell you about that? That's in Oxford. Ms.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: You just asked that question because you got a maroon shirt on that says

>> Wesley Wildmon: Ms. That's only for those that get it. If they don't, I know where it is.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you know where the you know that school is. I know where that four year school, you know.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, they're really good at something.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, they are. all right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Krish didn't say anything. That was his chance.

>> Chris Woodward: It's because I'm going there tonight.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right.

>> Chris Woodward: So I will watch what I say.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So you're going there for what?

>> Chris Woodward: We're having Frank on the top.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you're going to be covering Frank's event tonight.

>> Chris Woodward: So I'm going to watch what I'm going to say. I'm glad to be there.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ole Miss, but we wanted folks to know who were, want to drive over or live in the Oxford area to to go see Frank tonight in person on the campus and we'll let him tell you where he's going to be. All right, like to talk about. First thing we're going to talk about is, what, what do you got, Chris?

US Supreme Court rules against Colorado's ban on gay conversion therapy for minors

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, I often too do not get to begin the show with positive news. So today I claim my time. this morning the US Supreme Court ruled against a law banning so called conversion therapy for sexually confused kids in Colorado, which is one of about two dozen states that banned this kind of counseling aimed at helping minors with unwanted same sex attract. This was an 8 to 1 ruling against Colorado. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson was the only liberal justice that voted, in favor of what Colorado wants to do. Now there's a lady there in Colorado by the name of Kaylee Chiles and she's a therapist and she wants to offer talk therapy, as she calls it, to minors with unwanted same sex attractions. but Colorado has said, hey, you can't kind of, you can't do this. It's not helpful, it's not helping kids, that kind of stuff. And they banned it. adf, Alliance Defending Freedom has long represented Kaylee Childs in this battle. And I've got some audio here of one of the ADF attorneys talking to us about this as the case was going into oral argument. Clip 15 we are living in a

>> Dave Williams: time when parents and children across the country want and desperately need the kind of counseling that folks like Kaylee Childs wants to provide. And yet, just because Colorado disagrees with that counseling has censored it.

>> Chris Woodward: Now stay with AFN later today because word on the street is Alliance Defending Freedom is going to have, they're going to have a press conference at noon central in which they're going to respond to today's ruling. So I'm going to roll on that when I'm done with this portion of the show. And we'll have that audio and stuff in print for you guys later today.

>> Tim Wildmon: Because that's the word on the street.

>> Chris Woodward: That is the word on the street.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, where's the street?

>> Chris Woodward: out front.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. so just to be clear with folks, and we talk about this more tomorrow with Jenna Ellis. She is from Colorado, by the way. So what you have is you have in the state of Colorado, you have, you know, there are therapists and psychiatrists and psychologists and family counselors and all those kinds of folks. And so, Colorado, there are some Christian counselors, maybe are non Christians who want to, who are. Have said they want to counsel a person who has gender confusion and counsel them in a way that points them to their. Against same sex attraction. Right. in favor of natural, the man, woman, male, female, are dealing with trans issues. They want to do it from a, biblical perspective. Right. This is all voluntary health in health perspective.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. These people come to her.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, these are, this is all voluntarily voluntary, I should say. So a family might bring a teenager in, for example, and say, can you help him? Would you talk to him?

>> Dave Williams: And.

>> Tim Wildmon: And so what Colorado tried to do through their law, their state law was say, you cannot, counsel someone against homosexuality or lgbt, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: You can defer.

>> Tim Wildmon: You can counsel it for, homosexuality or lgbt, but you can't counsel against. That was what they tried to do. And the supreme court in an 8:1 decision said, you can't do that. Right. That is a violation of free speech of the First Amendment. So I'll just read the first paragraph of the Fox News story, which I know we've got our own story going up on afn, but it said the Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that Colorado cannot enforce its so called, quote, conversion therapy ban regarding conversions between conversations, rather between therapists and minors, saying the law likely violates the likely, violates the First Amendment by allowing some viewpoints but not others. So in short, this is a very good ruling and excellent ruling. Eight to one, in fact. So you had only one, the other liberals. Three. Three liberals or two.

>> Chris Woodward: there's three.

>> Tim Wildmon: Sotomayor and Kagan and Jackson. And Jackson. but the other two, said that's correct. it is a violation of the First Amendment. So we will see. We'll talk to Jenna about that tomorrow. But that is a ruling that came down today from the United States Supreme Court. So that's set for, for, free speech and also for religious liberty. That is a very good, decision.

Some people call it Passion Week; others call it Holy Week

All right, you are Listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. I wanted to ask you, Ray, this is, Holy Week, or Passion Week. Some people call it Passion Week. I guess it, as Christians around the world, are celebrating, commemorating, you know, the week. I wanted to ask you, in the Bert, about this. Yesterday on our Reasoning Company segment. Brother Bert, what, what, what. What happens during this week in the Bible? Does it tell us what happens leading up to what we call Good Friday, the Crucifixion day?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, Tim, we can think of it this way. it starts on Palm Sunday. It moves to Good Friday, and then Holy Week comes to a climax on Easter Sunday, when Jesus rose from the dead. And it's interesting, too, if you read the Gospels. The Gospels cover. Each One covers roughly 33 years, the life of Christ. But all four Gospels are identical this way, that roughly one fourth of each Gospel focuses just on the last week of Christ's life. That's how important this week is. So we can divide it this way. On Palm Sunday, he rode the donkey into Jerusalem. And the people cried, hosanna. Hosanna. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. On Monday, he curses the fig tree, and he goes into the temple with the whip. And with the whip and the cords, he drives out the money changers. That, by the way, it's a reminder of how messed up our world really is. He cleanses the temple. It's sort of a preview of why Jesus had to die. The problem's not the money. The problem is the darkened hearts of the human race. So a little preview of what's going to happen, why he came. He came to provide new hearts for sinners like you and me. On Tuesday. That boy Tim, that's a big day. On Tuesday of Holy Week, Jesus and his disciples go into the temple precincts. And there he faces down against the chief priests, the scribes, the rabbis, the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and. And he defeats them one by one by one with the knowledge and insight that God gave him. You know, and at one point, by the way, the Pharisees tried to trick him. And they couldn't trick him, and they couldn't. His answers were from God. At one point, they. They simply say to him, by what authority do you do this? You know, religious leaders, they're big on authority. Tell us where you came from. Show me your resume. What seminary did you go to? Who taught you Hebrew? Who taught you Aramaic? All that kind stuff? Jesus spoke not as a man at that Point. He spoke the very words of God. His authority was given to him by God. So you have all. You have the great debate, the day of controversy. Then on, Wednesday is the day of conspiracy. It's sometimes called Spy Wednesday because we don't have any record of what Jesus said or did during that day. That's the day that's probably the most shocking event of Holy Week. When Judas, who had walked with our Lord for years, heard his teaching, seen the miracles, and to all outward appearances, seemed to be as loyal as anyone else. He goes to the chief priests and says, so how much will you give me if I hand him over to you? 30 pieces of silver. Shocking event. Thursday. Jesus with, his disciples. He excoriates The Pharisees. Matthew 23. Then the Olivet discourse. Matthew 24, 25. Then Thursday night, in the upper room, he celebrates Passover. He says, the bread, this is my body of the wine, this is my blood. And, they sing a hymn. They go to Gethsemane. There, Jesus agonizes in prayer. Then about midnight, as Thursday turns into Friday, Good Friday, Jesus is betrayed. He's arrested, he's tried, he's denied. He's crucified. He's buried in the tomb before sundown. Friday night, Silent Saturday, of which the only things the gospels say are that the disciples hid for fear. And the women prepared to anoint the dead body of Jesus. And on. On Sunday morning, the final day, holy day, the day of the resurrection. The women go to the tomb and remember they weren't expecting a resurrection. They went to the tomb to anoint the dead body of Jesus. And Matthew seems to say that the stone was rolled away as they were approaching the tomb. And when they got there, Jesus was gone. And there were angels there. And one of them says, why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, for he is risen. And tim. The end of that week, they were still On Easter Sunday, that first the resurrection Sunday, the women come to the tomb. Then Peter and John go to the tomb. Then they go back and say, the tomb is empty. There's consternation everywhere. Jesus appears to Peter in private. Later, he appears to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. And late. Sometime late on Sunday evening, Jesus appears to ten of the disciples. Judas is dead.

Jesus appears to his disciples with only scars on his hand

Remember, he hanged himself. And Thomas isn't there. Overcome. Overcome by grief and sadness. And, the first Easter comes to an end. With our Lord appearing in person to his disciples. Alive from the dead, just as he promised.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wow.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Does it. What what else is it? That's awesome, by the way. Right. I was thinking about when he appeared there. He appeared with only scars, on his hand. Right. Is that it?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, remember a week later when just Thomas, you know, Thomas, a special case. Wesley, Remember, he. He had his struggles. And Jesus says, look. Look at my hands. But he also points to his side. So the wound. Put your hand in. See that it is me. I'm not a ghost. I am your Lord and master. The scars prove it's really me, and yet the scars have been healed, proving he had risen from the dead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Amen.

Ray: What do you think happened to Judas after he betrayed Jesus

>> Tim Wildmon: so much there that you said one question I had. maybe there's not a good answer to this. Maybe there is. Judas Iscariot, who you mentioned was with Jesus. was he one of the original.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, he was there very early on. Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So what do you think happened to him? Because, I mean, man, you walk with God. I mean, you walk with Jesus Christ and you see the miracles that he does, and then you're willing to sell him out for 30 pieces. Sell him out for anything. But.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right. I mean, 30 pieces of silver is not very much money. He sold the Son of God for up. for pocket change. We would say here. Okay, here is the most surprising thing we can say about Judas. Remember, at the upper room. And by the way. By the way, Jesus knows what's going to happen because he says, one of you is going to betray me. As I read. As I read it, it looks to me like Jesus washed the feet of the man that he knew was going to betray him in just a few hours. And depending on how you read the Gospel accounts, it also appears that when he instituted what we call the Lord's Supper, that Judas was there. And then this shocking moment, Jesus said, one of you is going to betray me. And the response of the disciples around the table is instructive. Every Peter said, lord, is it me? And John said, lord, is it me? And Bartholomew said, lord, is it me? And Simon the Zealot said, lord, it is me. It's evidently they had no idea about what Judas was about to do. it's not as if somebody said, yeah, look, that is scary at Guy. I never trusted him from the beginning. Nobody pointed a finger at him. And Judas later gets up and he leaves. He leaves the gathering. He goes out into the night. And evidently, none of. None of the boys had any idea of what he was about to do. So anyway, we. Anyway, we explain, this. Tim, your observation is exactly right. For 2,000 years, people have wondered. It's a terrifying thought to me that you could be that close to Jesus for that many years. He was there when Jesus walked on the water. He was there when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. He was there when Jesus fed the 5,000. He was there when he gave the sermon on the Mount. It's terrifying to think that you can know, that much about Jesus and walk that closely with him and yet come to the end. I think, I don't think he did it for money. Because, look, if he, if he betrayed Jesus for money, he got the bad end of that bargain. You know, that was a terrible way. That was a terrible. It was an awful thing to do on any level. But he didn't get enough money for it anyway. So I don't think the money explains anything. I think he was disillusioned. I think he thought Jesus was going to be a political messiah. My best guess is that on one level he believed. But as many people are today, some people are disappointed in Jesus because he doesn't do what they thought he should do. And in his despair and sadness and fear and anger and disappointment, he sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver and then threw the money back, but it was too late and he went out and hanged himself. And in Acts, chapter one, when they, you know, they voted to choose somebody to fill his place, Peter made the comment, he has gone to his assigned place. I think the Bible said he was. He was sorry for what he did, but he never repented and he ended up taking his own life in a most tragic way. This is what happens when you turn away from Jesus, when you sell out the son of God. Things never get better. They can only get worse.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, of course, there are some names in history that, last through time for particular reason. And you say, you say to somebody, you're a Judas. Everybody knows what you're talking about. So it's, anyway, a tragic way for it to end for him. But I just wonder what you thought was going through his mind and soul as he was doing what he did. One other question. well, maybe we'll say this. You're going to be on with us Thursday, right?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: So we can continue this conversation about Holy Week, Easter week, on Thursday with, Ray, Ray. How can people go to your website and read more about this?

>> Tim Wildmon: just Come to Keep believing dot com. Keep believing dot com. And we've got resources covering the eight days, we call it. Eight days that changed the world. Come to Keep Believing Dot com. And we've got devotions that walk you through all eight days of Holy Week. And we've got one for today. Today, the day of controversy. The one for tomorrow is about Judas asking the question, would you. Would you betray the Son of God for money, for your health? Would you do it to save your family? it's a question, Tim, that is scary to consider, but I think it's good.

Second Corinthians 7:10 says sorrow brings about repentance

Look, final word here. There's a little bit of Judas in all of us.

>> Tim Wildmon: Uh-huh.

>> Tim Wildmon: And if we don't see that, we miss this whole story. We ought to be saying as the other disciples did. Lord, is it me? Lord, is it me? We ought to pray. Lord, give me a faith that is real. Give me a faith that is genuine. May my faith be anchored in you, so that no matter what, I will not turn away from you.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Second Corinthians 7:10 says that there is a godly sorrow that brings about repentance, that leads to salvation without regret. But then there's a worldly sorrow that brings about death. And that's kind of what you were describing with Judas. He was sorry. More so sorry he got caught. But not godly. sorrow that brings about repentance. And having, that Bible verse in the NewSong Testament does help describe the difference between the two M. All right,

>> Tim Wildmon: can we take a break right here? Take a break. just a few seconds early. And we're waiting, hoping, to hook up with our good friend Dr. Frank Turek. as he's. Frank will be on the campus of the University of Mississippi tonight for an event. he's traveling the country speaking on college campuses. He was in Colorado. No, Utah.

>> Chris Woodward: Utah. Last week.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah. So where Charlie Kirk was a assassinated.

>> Chris Woodward: Correct.

>> Tim Wildmon: One of the places that, Frank spoke. So Frank's been going on college campuses for a long, long time and just goes up and takes. Gives, a little. I guess he gives a little talk and then takes all comers.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yep.

>> Tim Wildmon: You can ask him anything you want to ask him. and he answers. He answers it according to the Holy Bible. We'll be back momentarily with more of today's issue. Stay with us.

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Frank Turek will host a Q and A tonight at Ole Miss

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey welcome back to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Wesley, Krish and Ray. And joining us now is Dr. Frank Turek, host of I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. Heard Saturday mornings at 9am Central Time and Sunday afternoons at 4pm Central Time right here on AFR. How you doing, Frank?

>> Dave Williams: almost in rebel country right now, Tim, your arch enemy, you bulldog.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are there any saved people over there?

>> Dave Williams: well, I see some dead deer on the side of the road right now. I don't know about saved people, but I think, I think several of them could be saved. I hope so. If not, they need to come tonight because we're going to be in the Gertrude Sea Ford student union at 6:30 central time to do I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, again, Frank will be on the Ole Miss campus tonight as part of his, one of his stops on his national tour. you were, what's the time and what's the place again?

>> Dave Williams: It's going to be in the student union, the Gertrude C. Ford Student Union at Ole Miss. 6:30 Central Time. 6:30 to 8:30 questions we're gonna do. I don't think we're gonna do Q and I think we're gonna do all Q. No A.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Dave Williams: everyone gets to ask a question. Takes all the pressure off.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Everybody has questions but Frank gives. No, no, you do you have to have a ticket to get in or is it open to the public?

>> Dave Williams: I think people might have to register online if they go to our website, crossexamined.org that's cross examined with a D on the end of it. They can, they can see it there. So go there and register online there if, if we have room, they might allow walk ups, but I register online to be sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: I got you. Where were you? weren't you recently back at the place where, Charlie was shot and killed?

>> Dave Williams: Yeah, yeah, that was last Thursday. We were at Utah, Valley University. Went back there. And as you know, that's a heavily Mormon area, so we had a lot of LDs in the audience. Everyone can see that exchange on our YouTube channel, the Cross Examined YouTube channel. we had several questions from Mormons actually. and it's all up on our YouTube channel. We had, I don't know, probably about 350 people there that night. And it was kind of eerie going back there, as you can imagine.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Dave Williams: But we had some good questions and, the Q and A is getting a lot of attention on our YouTube channel right now.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I knew this is Wesley here. I ended up watching most, if not all that. you had a couple guests there with you too, didn't you?

>> Dave Williams: I had, the Apostate Prophet with me, Ridvan Adamir. He came to support the event. He. We got a question on Islam, so I put him up in the hot seat about that. And yeah, Ridvan's a great guy. Apostate prophet on YouTube.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, he was there and then there was. It seemed like there was a question. If I remember. It's been been a little bit since I watched it, but there was a question on Mormonism and there was a guy in the crowd that you had come up there and y' all tagged him.

>> Tim Wildmon: What is the, main difference between, because, you know, Mormon, the m. The LDS Church. You know, sometimes people get upset. They say, well, Mormons are Christians or Mormons are not Christians. I've even had discussions with Mormons. And look, I go, if we're the same, then why are you trying to convert me?

>> Dave Williams: Exactly.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Dave Williams: You know, officially, Tim, there's. There's been the official doctrine. I know this is going to sound odd, but Mormons are polytheists. They believe in many gods and that if you're a faithful Mormon man, one day you're going to become a God of your own planet. Just like the God of this planet was once a man and arose to such a level that he now is the God of this planet. I know this sounds odd, but that's official Mormon doctrine as man is God once was. So in this presentation last week, I talked a lot about the nature of God that you can't go on an infinite regress of gods, that the ultimate God has to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, which is not, the God obviously of Christianity. The God of Christianity is spiritual, spaceless, timeless and immaterial. The God of Mormonism is made of flesh and bones like we are. So it's a dramatically different worldview. Although they'll use a lot of terminology that sounds like Christianity. And of course they're very nice people, most of them, but that doesn't mean their theological views are correct.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I mean, sign me up for Mormons as neighbors. I mean, absolutely. They are, they are clean living, wholesome, and very patriotic people. but the theological differences are real between the LDS Church and, let's say at least evangelical Christianity. Christianity in general. And so you got some questions on that.

Chris: There's a confusion in America about who is doing right and wrong

Is that, when I see advertisements for the LDs on television, they're promoting the Book of Mormon, which is. What is that exactly?

>> Dave Williams: Well, the Book of Mormon is, a book apparently revealed to Joseph Smith in the, let's say about the 1820s, 1830s or so, and he claimed to be a prophet. And, that book is in addition to the Bible. They only believe the Bible.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We lost them.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I don't know what happened there. Frank, you there? Nope. call him. Well, we just tell. He's got, he's busy. Just tell him, we'll talk to him later. Appreciate his time. We lost Frank.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You want to play some clips?

>> Chris Woodward: We do.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Have we still got Frank? We just got.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, we'll let him go though. But Frank will be on, the campus of Ole miss tonight at 6:30. If you want more about that, go to his website, Cross Examined. Cross examined. Org. What were you going to say, Krish?

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. This was the audio that you wanted?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: Frank, this is from one of Frank's recent Q&As, in which Frank had a Q and A session, with a Jewish student. Clip 10.

>> Dave Williams: Okay, you see him here? Okay. I don't want any of you out there ever, having an opinion on the Israeli Hamas conflict until you've read the Hamas charter, okay? Because Hamas has written that this gentleman and even, non Muslims, like everyone in this room, should be executed. And yet somehow there's a confusion in America about who is doing right and wrong in this dispute. Does that mean Israel does everything right? No, but don't give me the nonsense that Israel is the one committing genocide when in the very documents of Hamas,

>> Chris Woodward: that's what they say they want to

>> Dave Williams: do and they're Doing it. Thank you for being here.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I thought that that was toward the end of his, speech or his Q and A there. He does this all over the country throughout the year. And I was listening to one of them. I thought that was a really good reminder for all of us. and right, perspective.

>> Tim Wildmon: What's going on in Israel?

Tim Ferriss: U.S. and Israel continue to go after Iran

All right, you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. What's your next story, Krish?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, let's get into some Iran.

>> Tim Wildmon: Let's do that, Krish.

>> Chris Woodward: I tried. I promised myself I would wait until at least 41 minutes into the show.

>> Tim Wildmon: Got some good news or what? Neutral news.

>> Chris Woodward: We're not losing.

>> Tim Wildmon: will you be in the U.S. yeah, yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: the U.S. and Israel continue to go after Iran. Matter of fact, the US Bombed some more stuff, in Iran over, overnight. The, president's already, delivered some remarks about this. Meanwhile, the Trump administration itself is still offering Iran a chance at diplomacy here and agreeing to, give up its reign of terror there in Tehran. don't take my word for it. Here's Caroline Levitt at a press briefing. Clip 3 this remains a truly once

>> Tim Wildmon: in a generation opportunity for the regime to make a good deal with the United States, permanently abandon their nuclear ambitions and stop acting as the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism.

>> Chris Woodward: If the Iranians reject this golden opportunity,

>> Tim Wildmon: the greatest military in the history of the world continues to stand by to provide President Trump with every option available to ensure this regime continues to pay a grave price.

>> Chris Woodward: So they're still out there pushing diplomacy. Marco Rubio still doing TV interviews, talking about how they're in talks with somebody and we don't know who exactly that someone is because, the so called Islamic leader, the son of the ayatollah that was killed in one of the early airstrikes, he is putting out statements, or at least somebody is putting out statements in his name, but nobody has seen that guy. So we don't know exactly who the administration is talking to, but they have said repeatedly through different people that they're talking to somebody and things are going well.

>> Tim Wildmon: The Israelis were after you. Wouldn't you be hiding?

>> Chris Woodward: I think so.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, they know where these people are, these Iranian leaders, and they've taken a lot of them out. Ray, what do you think about, we haven't talked to you in a while. What do you think about what's happening there?

>> Tim Wildmon: I was just pondering, listening to that little exchange that we just played. We're a month into It. What have we accomplished? Look, our military might is unmatched in the world, right? We have bombed and bombed and bombed, and the Israeli military has bombed and bombed. I mean, there's no doubt we have significantly hindered, significantly destroyed the Iranian war machine. Here's my question, because I do not know the answer to this. What's the off ramp? Are we, Are we waiting for regime change? If so, we may have to wait forever because it's hard. You know, regime change is, is. It's easy to say it on paper. It's hard to. It's hard to force it to happen, especially bombing from the air. So, guys, I don't know. I'm, I support the president, and I totally agree that Iran must not get nuclear weapons. And they're a danger to not just Israel, but they're a danger to the other, to the Arab states in the region. But what is one month in, Tim? What's the off ramp?

>> Tim Wildmon: That's a very good question. A lot of Americans are wanting to know the answer to that. it is in, it is in, question right now. Okay, so what I'm about to say is my opinion only. I don't speak for anybody else in this room. Do I speak for you?

>> Wesley Wildmon: You do not speak for me, and

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't speak for.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, but I could agree with you.

>> Tim Wildmon: right, you may agree with me. So, that remains to be seen.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Depends on what I'm about to say. Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm on the edge of my seat listening.

>> Tim Wildmon: Little sarcasm there. I don't think you're on the edge of your seat here, what your old man has to say. But anyway, here we go.

We cannot allow Iran to get nuclear weapons because they will use them

because we were talking about this yesterday, and, and this is among people who, basically support President Trump and his. Entrust his judgment on, on this matter. And I do agree that, somebody had to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And, and our. Every president, Democrat and Republican have been. Have been saying that since Bill Clinton at least. So this goes back 30 years or so, you know, now, you know that. So that's been the policy of the United States. We cannot allow Iran to get nuclear weapons because they will use them.

>> Dave Williams: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So President Trump in concert, with Israel. Israel had their, Their, Their, you know, the clock had run out for them too, on, whether. Whether they could wait any longer or not. Remember, Israel's in the neighborhood, okay. And they, they are a stated target, for, the Iranian mullahs who control that country. I mean, they basically get up Every morning the mullahs do and have breakfast and then say, death to Israel. You know, how's everybody doing out there? So that's basically how they've operated. And they remember that Iran is the money behind Hamas, which has been attacking Israel, and the money behind Hezbollah. So for some reason, I think religiously driven, the Iranian, mullahs, the, that's their religious leaders who control the country, they just have this obsession with getting rid of the killing Jews. I mean, that's, that's. They just have this obsession. And, and of course, we're the Great Satan, so we the United States. So, I think the decision President Trump came to you just, in my opinion, you got to trust the information that he had and the Israelis had, that Iran was on the verge, the very verge of getting a nuclear weapon. And they tried to talk to these people, they tried to negotiate with them. Remember that? President, Trump's team did. So he was left with the decision. President Trump was okay, either go now and try to stop him, or we just let them go ahead and get the nuclear weapon and hope for the best. You know what I'm saying? Sort of roll the dice. And I think Israel was going anyway. So, that's my opinion. Go ahead.

>> Chris Woodward: Well, one thing, one wrinkle with this situation now is something Fox reported earlier this morning. Here's the headline. Russia allegedly sharing satellite intelligence on US Bases with Iran. the White House says the intelligence sharing is not affecting U.S. operations, with Secretary Rubio calling it no impediment. You match that with about, with the fact that, China gets about 45% of its oil through the Strait of Hormuz, and you're looking at some big name players possibly getting involved here in some point in the future if we don't bring it into this, like we all hope.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now, just to finish my long and exhausting thought here on this, I will continue to drone. Ma', am, please.

>> Chris Woodward: I did. I did not mean to interrupt.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's okay. That's okay.

Trey Yingst: Sending troops to Iran worries me

So finish the question. We're sending now. Sending. I think that I don't see any reason why we can't come home now. That's, that's, that's what I think. And I'm just a layman like everybody else, but I agree with you. I don't know why we want to escalate things any further by sending troops over there, potentially putting them in harm's way for what it better be a very, very, very good reason, because, the danger that they're going to be exposed to. And is it our job to open up the Strait of Hormuz? is that our job? Is it our job? And you start taking over that island where they have all their refineries and I guess their water and their, I don't know what all they got there. I just don't believe that you carry this on to harming the, civilian population of Iran any more than you have to. I don't think. I don't think making them suffer is going to lead to the, downfall of the, of the regime. So, and these are just my thoughts. I think you're, you're.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That wouldn't obviously be the primary goal, but you're saying indirectly or accidentally, you wouldn't want.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know about what about sending troops over there. Supposedly we have now close to 50,000 troops.

>> Tim Wildmon: That worries me.

>> Dave Williams: Area.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that worries me. Like, to your point, right. Earlier regime, change. The days of storming the beaches in Normandy are over.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so boots on the ground. This is us, we live in a smart device age, right. Smart bombs. We have, eyes in the sky. People know where the assets are. People know how to track folks. I mean, so they're going to know. Iran's going to know every, every move we make. Seems to me if we start trying to put, quote, boots on the ground in Iran. And to what, to what end, as you say, where's the exit ramp? So I think a lot of Americans right now who support President Trump are a little bit nervous about what the next two to four weeks hold, maybe beyond, because we've seen our history has been to get into quagmires.

>> Tim Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. And then. And some people would call Vietnam one, some people would, you know, call Iran and I mean call Iraq, Afghanistan. yes, a lot of wonderful things were done there, and I think a lot of times our intentions were pure. But you get into those foreign entanglements, and start. One thing can lead to another, which can lead to another. It's how war, war, world wars have started.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. So, so at the end of all of it, we're saying we support the president. We do. And the general principle that Iran must not have a nuclear, bomb. That's. That's absolutely correct.

>> Tim Wildmon: But change.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that's tough.

>> Tim Wildmon: how do you do that?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, from the air, I don't see

>> Tim Wildmon: how you do that simply by launching missiles.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, you've got the, obviously the, the pinnacle of wanting, or, wanting to prevent them from having nuclear, weapons. However, I also don't mind setting them back militarily 10 years if you can do that.

>> Tim Wildmon: They've done that. I don't know the whole, you know, score sheet but it just appears like that our military along with the Israelis have done a pretty pretty good job of decimating the Now they're still launching some missiles though.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. Trey Yingst a couple of weeks ago in a soundbite I aired from him when I was doing the morning shift. Couple of weeks ago.

>> Tim Wildmon: Who's he?

>> Chris Woodward: Trey Yingst is the Fox News correspondent. You oftentimes see him on top of a roof in Tel Aviv reporting on this war or situations involving Israel. And Trey said that morning that Iran was prepared for something like this. They were prepared for a. What are we going to do in the event the US and Israel attack us and take out a lot of things. Basically they have infrastructure or they've had infrastructure in place throughout Iran and in other places that are friendly to Iran to allow themselves to fire missiles. And that's why they have been able to still fire things at the US and its interests even though we have quote decimated their military. And it's true the only military they have really right now are people in uniforms. They don't have anything to shoot, they don't have anything to ride on or sail on because we have taken that stuff out. That's why Trey says they're still firing missiles because they had plans in place for something like this.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, sending those troops over there worries me. how many troops did you say right over there?

>> Tim Wildmon: 50, 50,000.

>> Tim Wildmon: That have either been sent or are

>> Tim Wildmon: they right, they were already there because

>> Tim Wildmon: well, I didn't realize how many military bases we had across the Middle East.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, it was news to me too. I think this is all the more reason why Democrats need to get over it and fund D. We probably need to pump even more money into DHS because even if they change regimes and they have a friendly person in there and everybody starts singing Kumbaya, you're still going to have crazy people that are loyal to the Islamists and they're operating in Timbuktu, Mississippi or wherever, doing things in a terroristic manner in the name of Allah and their radicalness.

>> Tim Wildmon: You just caused the housing market to go down in Timbuktu.

>> Chris Woodward: My apologies to the real the realtors, as we might say here.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Next story. Krish.

U.S. supreme court overturns ban on so-called conversion therapy

>> Chris Woodward: Alright, let me mention this because we began the show with, the positive news again, where the U.S. supreme Court has ruled 8 to 1 against Colorado's, ban on so called conversion therapy. We also have another positive story here. Ah, a few weeks ago, I started interviewing the American center for Law and justice, or aclj, about a young girl they were representing in Washington state. This Washington state public school student, she's a sixth grader. She was told by her school administrators, you can't hand out gospel tracts, to people in your class and people at school. Well, somehow her family got involved with ACLJ and they sent a letter to the school saying, hey, what you're saying to her is not correct. She has all the freedom out there to hand out gospel tracts to people that are wanting to take it. And, the good news is, with this story is Nathan Mulker at ACLJ told me just recently that the school has agreed that she does indeed have the right. And as Nathan would say, it's all the more reason to get an attorney when somebody says, you can't do that.

>> Dave Williams: Clip 6 Our client had the courage to stand up for her faith and to fight when she was told she wasn't allowed to live out her faith at school. That action, that unconstitutional practice, has now been reversed. And I'd say to similar people in similar situations, especially to children and parents wondering what to do if they're told something similar. Call us. We're here to help.

>> Chris Woodward: Now, what's crazy about this story is this same girl, when she was in second grade wanted to hand out gospel tracts. And the school she was in then said, hey, you can't do that. Well, ACLJ got involved at that time and got the school to agree. Hey, what we're telling you is wrong. You, you can do this. So the same girl has been told twice by her school, you can out gospel tracts. And ACLJ has, one thing's in her favor. Twice.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, good for her. She's wanting to share the gospel of Christ with her classmates.

>> Chris Woodward: You know, in stories like that that make you kind of think, you know, when's the last time I handed out a track to somebody and I'm an adult and she's in sixth grade and, you know, some positive news in Holy Week here.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, absolutely.

>> Chris Woodward: Beyond the greatest news of all time.

>> Tim Wildmon: But it's wonderful. She, she spoke up and the school tried to shut her down. She held her ground and thank God for the ACLJ to listen, come to the rescue.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, schools have to have Rules and regulations about you know, what goes on on their campus. you can't. For example, she couldn't be disruptive of class time, Right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Or anything like that. Nor would anybody, have accused her of that. I think that's why she wants, she just simply is handing out people who would accept the tracks and you know, all you gotta do is say no thanks, walk, keep on walking. If she, I don't know what the whole story is there behind that, but she's got a passion for sharing her faith and she should be admired for. What's her name, young lady?

>> Chris Woodward: we don't know the name. And actually out of an act of kindness, we, the ACLJ did not identify the school either.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. All right. We are just about out of time. You got any, any what else you got, Krish? Got anything else?

>> Chris Woodward: yes, in, in a relations story here, First Liberty Institute is asking the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to investigate the termination of a young lady, at a Louisville coffee shop. This lady was asked by her co workers about her faith. She shared her faith and her views on things. the Heine Brothers location there in Louisville fired her and First Liberty has gotten involved and they're asking the Trump administration's EEOC to look into that and rule it in her favor. So if you're looking to something to add to the prayer list, First Liberty would like you to pray, for her.

>> Tim Wildmon: What's our News website, chris?afn.net you can

>> Chris Woodward: find these stories and a whole bunch of other things on afn.net afn.net afn.

>> Tim Wildmon: Net go there, check it out. It's our news service, afn.net all right, we're going to take a short time out. We'll be back with more. Steve Paisley Jordal will be joining us in just a few minutes right here on today's issues. so we'll be back.

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