Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Trivia Friday on American Family Radio. We also call this Learning University.

J.J. Jasper: Learning University.

Tim Wildmon: We've got 24 and a half more minutes of education. We have Laura and Clay from Arkansas on the phone, and Laura was going to ask us a trivia question. Go ahead, Laura.

Laura: Our question for you is, in the realm of creation apologetics, what is the definition of irreducible complexity?

Tim Wildmon: Well, you know I could answer that. Do you want me to give it a shot?

J.J. Jasper: Iridescent complacency.

Tim Wildmon: Irreducible complexity.

J.J. Jasper: Well, if you get that, the first thing you need to do is start with a pretty stout antibody. After that, they make a treatment to put on there. There are side effects, and there are side effects, but it's worth it to get that off of you.

Tim Wildmon: Right. I always like those ads for drugs on television. They end with, "Could cause death."

J.J. Jasper: Yes, your side effects. I'm talking about.

Tim Wildmon: Yeah, and the other side effects, I would guess, make you wish you were dead.

J.J. Jasper: Yeah, I know.

Tim Wildmon: So, Laura, repeat the question, and J.J. is going to answer it.

Laura: The question is, in the creation versus evolution debate, in the apologetics argument, what does it mean for something to be irreducibly complex?

J.J. Jasper: So, Laura, you're in here with Frank Turek.

Frank Turek: Yeah, and I probably won't get this exactly correct, Laura, but the idea is that in the creation versus evolution debate, creationists will argue that there are some organs, such as the eye, that are complex but cannot be any simpler for them to function properly.

Frank Turek: The eye has various parts to it, and unless you have the whole eye, it doesn't serve any purpose. Evolution is supposed to progress from simple to complex. So I'm probably babbling a little bit, but am I in the ballpark there?

Tim Wildmon: That's a very good answer, brother.

J.J. Jasper: Probably babbling a little bit, but am I in the ballpark there?

Tim Wildmon: Excellent.

J.J. Jasper: That is spot on, because Charles Darwin said that if any organ could be found that could not be created by gradual changes, evolution would be proven false. So, yes, sir, that is exactly right.

Tim Wildmon: Now, Laura, let me put in a little plug for our listeners in North Mississippi. Frank Turek is going to be at Green Valley Baptist Church in Pontotoc, Mississippi, on October 18. He's going to preach a message Sunday morning, and then Sunday night he'll do what he does when you see him on YouTube, on college campuses. My family and I are members there. We've been doing apologetics on Sunday nights throughout the summer, taken from his book, I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist.

Tim Wildmon: So, North Mississippi, October 18, Frank Turek, Green Valley Baptist Church, and it's free.

Laura: Thank you. I appreciate it. They had a wonderful song there, too.

Tim Wildmon: Yes. Thank you so much, and you guys be safe there. She said Clay was driving.

J.J. Jasper: Let's repeat her questions and then go back to the phones.

Tim Wildmon: All right. I've got two questions remaining. I'm going to hold fast with those and not add anything. Superstar Bill Dundee recently passed away. What was the sport for which he became famous? By the way, tip of the hat to my friend John for sending that in.

Tim Wildmon: The second question is this: There actually is a secret map on the back of the Declaration of Independence, which inspired the movie National Treasure. Is that true or false?

J.J. Jasper: Here's what I've got. How many hearts does an octopus have? This is multiple choice. Is it three, five, or seven?

Tim Wildmon: You caught me taking a swig of Diet Coke. I've got five daughters. One of my teenage girls came home and said, "Thanks a lot, Dad."

J.J. Jasper: I said, "For what?"

Tim Wildmon: She said, "Well, somebody was drinking, and I said, 'Hey, can I have a swig of that?'" She got mocked for about 20 minutes. "Swig. Who says swig?" Then she realized, "Oh, my dad grew up in Kentucky."

J.J. Jasper: My mom is from Mississippi.

Tim Wildmon: Not everybody says "swig." I thought that would be pretty common, but I've never thought about getting around sophisticated folks. They don't swig.

J.J. Jasper: Here's another true or false question: It took 199 years to construct the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Is that true or false?

Tim Wildmon: It didn't start to lean until about 197 years in, but by then it was too late to shore it up with basement jacks. Somebody said, "Stand back. Does that look right? Is it me, or is that thing leaning?"

J.J. Jasper: When you use your thumb and hold it out there, you know, there were people doing that, though. I'll bet there were some husbands and wives who argued about it.

Tim Wildmon: All right, here we go. My two questions are as follows. After chicken, beef, and pork, what is the fourth most consumed meat by Americans, excluding seafood?

J.J. Jasper: Got me?

Tim Wildmon: Got you.

J.J. Jasper: And number two, who introduced peanuts to the American South? Surprisingly, to a lot of people, peanuts are not native.

Tim Wildmon: Wow.

J.J. Jasper: I am one of those who is surprised by this.

Tim Wildmon: How did they get here?

J.J. Jasper: I want to know the answer.

Tim Wildmon: Aliens. Who's up next?

J.J. Jasper: All right, we're going to Kentucky, J.J.'s neck of the woods. Joyce is on the line. Joyce, welcome to Trivia Friday.

Joyce: Thank you.

Tim Wildmon: Joyce, have you ever taken a swig of anything?

Joyce: A swig of liquor, you know?

Tim Wildmon: No, no, this was from an earlier conversation. I grew up in Kentucky. One of my daughters said she wanted a swig of something, and everybody laughed at her at school. She said, "Thanks a lot, Dad, for giving me these hillbilly terms the rest of the folks don't use."

Tim Wildmon: Where do you live in Kentucky, Joyce?

Joyce: I live in [unclear].

Tim Wildmon: Wonderful. I grew up in Kentucky also.

J.J. Jasper: You ought to know the answer to the question I want to answer, then.

Joyce: Okay, what question do you want me to answer?

J.J. Jasper: About the meat.

Tim Wildmon: Okay, Joyce, here's the question. After chicken, beef, and pork, what is the fourth most consumed meat by Americans, excluding seafood? What's the answer?

Joyce: Lamb.

Tim Wildmon: That's right. I was going to say turkey.

J.J. Jasper: That's right. Turkey's been a good seasonal choice. She knows about mutton in Daviess County.

Tim Wildmon: You've got Moonlite Bar-B-Q in Owensboro, Kentucky. Memphis says they're the barbecue capital of the world, and Owensboro says they are.

J.J. Jasper: One exports more, and the other one consumes more in their city.

Tim Wildmon: But, yes, mutton, lamb. Lamb is the most consumed meat after chicken. Chicken is number one, beef is number two, pork is number three, and then, way down the list, it is lamb.

J.J. Jasper: I wouldn't even think it would be on the list, because I thought it was sort of weird. Have you ever eaten lamb, Joyce?

Joyce: I tried it one time, but I didn't finish it because I didn't like it. I can't get my taste buds past "Mary Had a Little Lamb."

Tim Wildmon: Well, that's my wife. I like lamb. It's not one of my favorites, but my wife won't eat it because, just as you're saying, she can't get past all those funny pictures you see of them jumping around, and "Mary Had a Little Lamb."

J.J. Jasper: How about venison?

Tim Wildmon: She doesn't mind deer sausage, but my wife and girls say lamb is an acquired taste.

J.J. Jasper: We had about 12 barbecue restaurants, and it wasn't beef or pork. It was mutton. It was sliced or chopped lamb.

Tim Wildmon: Some people put it in their baby bottles. That's all they've ever known.

J.J. Jasper: Mutton.

Tim Wildmon: Yes, those squashed-up mutton sandwiches.

J.J. Jasper: Oh, man.

Tim Wildmon: Joyce, what's your question for us?

Joyce: I really don't have one.

Tim Wildmon: Well, thank you so much for listening to AFR. You feel free to say "reckon" or "pert near," or take a swig or something. Don't you own that? Don't shy away from that.

J.J. Jasper: Tell me your town there, Joyce.

Joyce: [Unclear.]

Tim Wildmon: What?

J.J. Jasper: Your town.

Joyce: [Unclear.]

Tim Wildmon: Where is that?

Joyce: [Unclear.]

J.J. Jasper: I think it's in central Kentucky.

Tim Wildmon: Okay, about by Berea, near that area, 60 miles from Louisville.

Joyce: Okay.

Tim Wildmon: Listen, thanks for calling, Joyce. We appreciate it.

J.J. Jasper: You're listening to Trivia Friday on American Family Radio.

Tim Wildmon: I do have a question about your list there. Where does seafood come on that list? Is it, is it?

J.J. Jasper: I don't know, because there are a lot of different kinds of seafood.

Tim Wildmon: Chicken, beef, and pork, and then lamb comes fourth.

J.J. Jasper: I don't know where seafood is going to come in. Seafood is probably going to be around pork, I'm guessing.

Tim Wildmon: The statistics say that, on average, an American consumes 118 pounds of chicken per year.

J.J. Jasper: I believe it. We eat a lot of chicken at our house.

Tim Wildmon: I want to say, "My pleasure."

J.J. Jasper: That's how I answer that.

Tim Wildmon: Chick-fil-A.

J.J. Jasper: Yep.

Tim Wildmon: Then beef is second. An average American consumes 84 pounds of beef a year, and then pork is third.

J.J. Jasper: I actually found this surprising. Pork is the number one most consumed meat worldwide.

Tim Wildmon: Really?

J.J. Jasper: I thought, well, in the Middle East, they don't eat it.

Tim Wildmon: I know. In the Middle East, they don't eat it at all.

J.J. Jasper: I thought that was odd, but they say pork is big in Asia, maybe in China, and in Europe.

Tim Wildmon: It's big in North America.

J.J. Jasper: You don't need as much terrain for pigs as you do for beef. You can put them almost anywhere.

Tim Wildmon: You can fence them in.

J.J. Jasper: I guess people don't slap pigs anymore. They feed them high-end grain.

Tim Wildmon: But anyway, I can see that. Chicken is so versatile. You can use it in a bunch of different ways.

J.J. Jasper: All right, there you go. You're listening to Trivia Friday on American Family Radio. Let's go back to the phones.

Tim Wildmon: All right, we're going to go to Mississippi, and Jeremy is on the line. Jeremy, welcome to Trivia Friday.

Jeremy: Oh, yes, sir. How are y'all doing today?

Tim Wildmon: We're doing good, Jeremy. Where are you calling from?

Jeremy: Walnut, Mississippi.

Tim Wildmon: Walnut, okay. I've been to your town many times.

Jeremy: Yes, sir. I want to do both.

J.J. Jasper: All right, let's see which one you want to answer.

Jeremy: The one about the octopus.

Tim Wildmon: Here's the question. The world wants to know: How many hearts does an octopus have, Jeremy? Multiple choice. Is it three, five, or seven?

Jeremy: It's three.

Tim Wildmon: Three.

J.J. Jasper: Three hearts.

Jeremy: Yes, sir.

Tim Wildmon: Three hearts. The better to hear you with, my dear.

J.J. Jasper: I'm beating just one time.

Tim Wildmon: I am not Jeremy. That's why there are so many octopuses. They just say, "Go out there and give it all your hearts. Don't hold back."

J.J. Jasper: What's your question for us?

Jeremy: I've got a joke for y'all.

Tim Wildmon: We're ready.

J.J. Jasper: We are ready.

Jeremy: Who was the fastest runner in the Bible?

J.J. Jasper: The fastest runner in the Bible?

Tim Wildmon: J.J., this seems like it's up your alley.

J.J. Jasper: I'm wondering about the one who saw the little fist of a cloud and outran the chariot.

Tim Wildmon: Is that a lie? He said it's a joke, though.

Jeremy: Yeah, that's right.

J.J. Jasper: Well, it's going to be some kind of a riddle.

Tim Wildmon: Maybe. J.J., do you have any idea?

J.J. Jasper: You're the riddle guy.

Tim Wildmon: Who's the fastest person in the Bible? I had my thoughts, but I'm going to keep them to myself on this.

J.J. Jasper: I feel like you should share.

Tim Wildmon: I haven't connected them all yet.

J.J. Jasper: All right, Jeremy, you're going to tell us.

Tim Wildmon: I don't want to get out ahead of everybody. I'm going to say Elijah.

Jeremy: Adam. He was the first in the human race.

J.J. Jasper: There's "human race." I knew it would be a riddle.

Tim Wildmon: Hey, let me tell you what else, Jeremy. Adam and Eve had the perfect marriage. If there was a perfect marriage, Adam and Eve had it, because he didn't have to hear about all the boys she could have married or how wonderful her old boyfriends were. And she didn't have to hear about what a wonderful cook his mother was.

J.J. Jasper: That's pretty good.

Tim Wildmon: Jeremy, you don't think that's funny?

Jeremy: Yeah, it was pretty good.

Tim Wildmon: Hey, Jeremy, I'm just working.

J.J. Jasper: You get back to work. Have a great weekend, buddy.

Jeremy: Thanks.

Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Jeremy, for calling in from Walnut, Mississippi and asking the question.

J.J. Jasper: We don't want to get folks in trouble with their boss. That's a good area.

Tim Wildmon: What was Jeremy's joke? Give us that one. Some people might want to use it again.

J.J. Jasper: Who was the fastest person in the Bible?

Tim Wildmon: It was Adam, because he was the first man.

J.J. Jasper: First in the human race.

Tim Wildmon: First in the human race.

J.J. Jasper: No pun intended.

Tim Wildmon: Right.

J.J. Jasper: You've been giving that some thought, have you?

Tim Wildmon: The pun is intended, isn't it?

J.J. Jasper: Yes, it is. It's like a dangling participle.

Tim Wildmon: It is. You got a part of "sip" that is dangling.

J.J. Jasper: That's if you get it. You got thirsty.

Tim Wildmon: That's right. But I mean, those are kind of religious laws that people don't follow anymore, right?

J.J. Jasper: Do you not dangle participles?

Tim Wildmon: Well, we're not under that law.

J.J. Jasper: No, that's true. So you're saying we can dangle participles?

Tim Wildmon: You can dangle participles. You can eat mutton, front words backwards. It doesn't matter. Put it in a baby bottle.

J.J. Jasper: Those are Old Testament laws that are no longer applicable to us.

Tim Wildmon: Right. Some commandments remain the same, but not eating mutton on Thursday or dangling participles.

J.J. Jasper: When you're dangling participles.

Tim Wildmon: Those don't apply.

J.J. Jasper: Right. Am I right?

Tim Wildmon: You are absolutely right, and I think that's a lesson our listeners could take to heart.

J.J. Jasper: You better be writing notes during this.

Tim Wildmon: We're going back to the phones. Arkansas, Donna is on the line. Good morning, Donna.

J.J. Jasper: She's not on there because I haven't clicked on it.

Tim Wildmon: J.J. and I were having a conversation over here.

J.J. Jasper: I'm sorry.

Tim Wildmon: All right, go ahead.

J.J. Jasper: Donna, hello.

Donna: Hey.

Tim Wildmon: Donna, this is Tim. How are you doing?

Donna: I am doing wonderful. How are you?

Tim Wildmon: We are getting rain, much-needed rain for Arkansas and some our way.

J.J. Jasper: My garden needs it. I wish we could get some.

Tim Wildmon: I'll be praying for you, though.

Donna: Thank you.

Tim Wildmon: What part of Arkansas?

Donna: Pocahontas.

Tim Wildmon: Okay. We're in between Poplar Bluff, Missouri, and Little Rock, Arkansas, near Jonesboro. You know where that is?

Donna: Yes.

Tim Wildmon: All the towns you mentioned, I've been to. I'm seeing the rain here and there.

Donna: That's good. Yes, it's wonderful.

Tim Wildmon: So, Donna, do you know which state is mentioned in the Bible?

Donna: Which state?

J.J. Jasper: Which state?

Donna: No, I do not.

Tim Wildmon: Noah opened the ark and saw...

J.J. Jasper: Arkansas.

Donna: Oh, yeah. I could have known that.

Tim Wildmon: That's why you're from the first state mentioned in the Bible, maybe the only state mentioned in the Bible.

J.J. Jasper: Noah opened to Arkansas.

Donna: I've got more.

Tim Wildmon: Well, that's okay. We're almost out of time. Let's save some of those.

J.J. Jasper: Can we just save them?

Tim Wildmon: Yes, I'd save them.

Donna: Okay, sure enough. I'll put them back there.

Tim Wildmon: Save them.

J.J. Jasper: All right, Donna, ask or answer both.

Donna: Both.

Tim Wildmon: Okay, which one do you want to answer?

Donna: I've got to answer the one about peanuts.

Tim Wildmon: There we go.

J.J. Jasper: Here's what Donna's going to answer.

Donna: George Washington Carver.

Tim Wildmon: Hold on a second. Who introduced peanuts to the American South, because they are not native?

Donna: George Washington Carver.

Tim Wildmon: By "who," I mean not an individual. Does that make sense?

Donna: Oh, the slaves. The African slaves.

Tim Wildmon: That's true. That is true.

J.J. Jasper: Wow, that is so great. George Washington Carver developed all those uses for peanuts. I mean, so many of them.

Tim Wildmon: How did you know the answer to that?

Donna: I remembered it from high school.

Tim Wildmon: Good.

J.J. Jasper: A little bit of information here: Peanuts were brought to the southern United States by slaves from Africa.

Tim Wildmon: So, from Africa. How about that?

J.J. Jasper: They were sometimes the only food rationed to slaves captured in West Africa and brought over to the United States, or what was then the colonies.

Tim Wildmon: So that's how they got here. Peanuts originated in South America, then went to Africa, and then came to the United States.

J.J. Jasper: I guess you have to have the right soil and the right climate, right?

Donna: You do. They are grown in Arkansas.

Tim Wildmon: It's been probably about 10 years, but we never used to grow them.

Donna: It might have been even longer than that, because we grew cotton and rice, but now we grow peanuts also.

Tim Wildmon: Oh, really? Well, you've got the right temperature.

J.J. Jasper: As far as peanut farming goes, it's mostly Georgia and Alabama. I told you guys the story about Enterprise, Alabama. It was king cotton. Cotton flourished there and was where most of the money came from. Then they had boll weevils and a couple of bad years. They were going under because of the boll weevil, so they had to do something drastic.

J.J. Jasper: They started planting peanuts and found out the soil was perfect for them. That became their new crop. It was kind of like the saying, "When you're given lemons, make lemonade."

Tim Wildmon: They had a statue of a boll weevil right there in the town square, saying, "The worst thing that happened to us turned out to be the best thing."

J.J. Jasper: I knew some weevils, too, back in the seventies. Neighbors down the street. They always had free puppies.

Tim Wildmon: Those were boys.

J.J. Jasper: One of them was named, I forgot what his name was.

Tim Wildmon: Hey, thank you, Donna.

J.J. Jasper: Do you have a question for us?

Donna: Yes, I do. What is a panniculectomy?

Tim Wildmon: Well, I'll tell you what. Be careful where you go from here.

J.J. Jasper: Check with me on the inside.

Tim Wildmon: There's a deal. So much enjoyment. Four things come to mind, but I'm going to tap out right here.

J.J. Jasper: It's wiser to be wise.

Tim Wildmon: All right. Thank you.

J.J. Jasper: I think you should just give us your answer. We're not going to guess.

Tim Wildmon: A panniculectomy is a tummy tuck.

J.J. Jasper: Okay, tummy tuck. I know the song. I've heard them sing it in Hawaii, and they use it.

Tim Wildmon: You can relate when they play it.

J.J. Jasper: It's mostly for people who have lost a lot of weight, to take the excess skin off. It's called a panniculectomy.

Tim Wildmon: A panniculectomy. That makes sense. One of my second cousins twice removed lost about 150 pounds doing that, and he just slung his belly over his shoulder.

J.J. Jasper: Oh, wow.

Tim Wildmon: Not the belly, but the skin. He said it was clumsy and got old, so he had one of those surgeries done.

J.J. Jasper: Hawaiian Christmas song surgery.

Tim Wildmon: It all worked out well.

J.J. Jasper: I've got one scheduled in July, I think.

Tim Wildmon: Well, you should try to get it done now that your deductible has been paid. You should get it in before the end of the year.

J.J. Jasper: I'm on the stock business here. What is it called? A plectomy? Like calligraphy?

Tim Wildmon: No, I think it's a panniculectomy.

J.J. Jasper: You better get it right before you go to the doctor. That's all I've got to say.

Tim Wildmon: Make them write it out there with the Magic Marker. If you go in there and tell them the wrong thing, they do the wrong thing.

J.J. Jasper: Thank you, Donna.

Tim Wildmon: Thank you, Donna.

J.J. Jasper: That was a great one.

Tim Wildmon: Great sport.

J.J. Jasper: Cindy, let's get Terry lined up for next week, if she hasn't already.

Tim Wildmon: I think she's already doing that.

J.J. Jasper: Hey, guys.

Tim Wildmon: Tuesday, I'm going to be in Greenwood, Mississippi, in the Mississippi Delta, for a pregnancy resource center banquet.

J.J. Jasper: Here's a real tie-in with AFA and AFR: Pastor Joseph Parker.

Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.

J.J. Jasper: He's the chairman of the board. They've got a mobile unit, and they're doing a great job. This is their annual fundraising banquet at North Greenwood Baptist Church. It's a ticketed event, but it's going to be this coming Tuesday. I appreciate your prayers, and if you're in the area, you're invited.

Tim Wildmon: Amen. Speaking of that, we've got to answer our questions.

J.J. Jasper: Let's do that.

Tim Wildmon: Superstar Bill Dundee recently passed away. What was the sport for which he became famous?

J.J. Jasper: He was a wrestler.

Tim Wildmon: Yes, he's a wrestler out of Memphis.

J.J. Jasper: It's real.

Tim Wildmon: I don't care what they say. That stuff's real.

J.J. Jasper: There actually is a secret map on the back of the Declaration of Independence, which inspired the movie National Treasure. True or false?

Tim Wildmon: False.

J.J. Jasper: It's false. Absolutely false.

Tim Wildmon: That's all I've got. It took 199 years to construct the Leaning Tower of Pisa. True or false?

J.J. Jasper: I'm going to say that's true.

Tim Wildmon: It is true.

J.J. Jasper: What do you have?

Tim Wildmon: I don't know. All mine have been answered.

J.J. Jasper: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you for listening to Trivia Friday. Remember, we've got a whole bunch of trivia shows archived on our podcast. Go to AFR.net, click on the Trivia Friday podcast, and if you want to listen to any of our previous Trivia Friday shows, you can do that for free. We'll see you all Monday.