Patrick Clancy Discusses Forgiveness and His Wife's Mental Illness After Tragic Events
Patrick Clancy: I saw headlines that said, you know, killer, mom and baby, murderer, monster. And none of them were accurate. I believed that it was her mental illness that caused that. So I shared those words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever. Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? I asked her if she remembered it. And what did she say? She said it was like a dream. And, she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking up. Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period, or do you feel like you did the best you could?
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I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time. And I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? no, but I gave it to her.
Sandy Rios: Well, that was the voice of Patrick Clancy, the wife, the husband of Lindsay Clancy. He was appearing on CBS 60 Minutes. It was very dramatic. It's just very dramatic, very sad. Actually.
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There's a lot of controversy, actually, about what he said. You know, he asked, if Linne. He was asked if Lindsay had asked his forgiveness, and he said no, but I have forgiven her. I think we should talk about that further on the show today. you may remember that we did a full show on this story, and I told you it's time. This is the kind of thing I never, ever want to cover. Because I. It's like tabloid people get so excited about. It becomes very prurient and kind of wicked. The curiosity about this, the fascination about a woman keeps killing her three children. It is unhealthy to me. And, it's one situation in the whole world. We have a lot of people getting killed. Ah, a lot of stories. And I just always resist this.
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But this one really caught my eye when, the jurors turned on this loan Juror. And so I want to give you an update on that today, plus expand what we just heard Patrick Clancy say, on today's edition. But first, life is so precious. You know, Remember in Deuteronomy 30, where it says, above all, choose life. Choose life. Choose life. And that's where we stand. Christians, believe in life at both ends of the spectrum. From birth to death, from the elderly to the newborn. We believe that they have the right to life. And of course, our preamble to the Constitution guarantees that right. And that comes from scripture because our founding fathers were so steeped in it. But for some reason, this world is Just speaking, of twisting. They're twisting the whole notion. They've made abortion honorable. They even have this thing where they brag about their abortions. They tell the details. young girls especially, have been so bent, to wanting freedom and their way. and so the selfishness has actually caused them, I think, to move to a place of acceptance, of killing their own children. ladies and gentlemen, we have a lot of work to do, but there is something in place that will help those girls to make a better choice. It's very effective. It's called preborn. They, simply bring them in when the girls come voluntarily, and they show them a 40 ultrasound of their babies. And like magic, or maybe by God's divine spirit, when they see the baby moving in the womb, they just can't bring themselves to terminate it. And that's probably, that's true of about 70 or 80% of them. It's amazing. And so preborn provides. Those ultrasounds are like $28 for one. those of you who've been listening for a while are accustomed to that. Many of you have been giving generously, but some of you may be new listeners, and we would just invite you to go to preborn.com sandy. That's preborn.com sandy and, and help us save these babies and really, in the process, save their moms from a lot of grief and a lot of sorrow and regret in their future years. So that's preborn.com Sandy. All right, well, listen, this is going to be interesting, and we're also going to be talking today about a similar topic, really of a mother, killing her three babies, to the government killing people through euthanasia. A couple of stories. There's a story out of Canada, there's a story out of the Netherlands that will make you really cringe. And, so that's what we're going to do today, because I want to alert you that if we allow the left to win in this country, it's coming here, too. I think they tried, they got right up to the edge of it in Obamacare, and, but they didn't succeed, thank God. But that's what we're going to be talking about today on this edition of Sandy Rios, 24 7, from American Family Radio. Sandy Rios, we are not called to be nice. We are often called to be confrontational. And here with me in D.C. is Fox News contributor Sandy Rios.
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Patrick Clancy: I saw headlines that said, you know, killer, mom and baby, murderer, monster. And none of them were accurate. I believe that it was her mental illness that caused that. So I shared those words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever. Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? I asked her if she remembered it. And what did she say? She said it was like a dream, and, she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking up. Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period, or do you feel like you did the best you could? I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time. And I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? no, but I gave it to her.
Sandy Rios: Okay. So that's again, the voice of Patrick Clancy. I wanted you to hear that again because it's the kind of thing you need to kind of think about, don't you? So that was an interview with CBS, 60 Minutes. It's really good. If you are inclined to listen. I recommend it. You learn a lot of things. I listened to the mother's testimony. I find myself now drawn into this whole thing. And there's more information we're going to get to in a second. Bruce is with me, and he's going to bring the, latest legal, aspect of this to us. But, Sapatrick is this executive, and, he. Well, I think he's in the tech industry. I don't know if he's an executive. And he's moved to NewSong York now, and he's actually remarried because this crime or this murder happened a few years ago or a year and a half. I don't. You know, the justice system is very slow. So he's remembering, you know, what it's like to come back and see his children strangled. You know, he describes how he sees his wife, you know, lying down at the base of, the window. And I want to remind you what I learned from the policeman's testimony is that there really wasn't much Blood that the. The supposed, you know, slitting of her throat was more just a line. It wasn't even blood. Same thing with her wrists. And, So I think that's an important, ah, clue to me that maybe she wasn't all that serious. But I, Did m. Find myself having some sympathy for her, I have to tell you that. But let's go on here. He says, I think this is really amazing. And he doesn't expand on it, but he said he forgave her. And he said, I don't think I could carry that until I did do that. It would be too much of a burden. But he never mentions God. but I found out later that he. He just. There's too many things about, like, St. Patrick's Cathedral. He goes in and praise. I believe Patrick has a. He may be Catholic, Christian background. because why else would a man forgive his wife for that and say that he didn't think he'd have. Have relief until he did that? But the real issue that's getting more attention here is the fact that she did not ask forgiveness from him. And the point that people, are making. Well, if she was in a psychosis when she killed her children, and now she's come out of the psychosis because she's not on these drugs and she's sitting in the courtroom, or she's, you know. You know, being with her husband after these, murders, and she does not ask forgiveness. Well, I thought, if she's normal now, would you not beg for forgiveness from your husband? If it's true that you were under psychosis before and didn't know what you were doing, can you imagine killing your children and not telling, not begging her? And then, like, you were out of it, you accidentally did it. You did it because you didn't know what you were doing, and. And, then you come to your senses, and wouldn't you have regret and mourn and ask for forgiveness? So that's the part that people are talking about. And I think it's a very good point. Now, Patrick Clancy says one more thing which I think is pretty, moving. I want you to hear it. This is clip seven.
Patrick Clancy: So I didn't have all the details of Callan's condition. I just knew that they got a heartbeat back. So I remember, that night I really thought there was a chance that Callan would live. And I remember just thinking, just give me one. Just give me one kid. And I would raise him as best I could, and I would give him the best life I Possibly could. I'd tell him about his brother and sister, and I was holding out hope for that. And then when I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. I saw the look on her face, and I knew that it wasn't going to be a, a good prognosis. Callan's heart kept beating for four days. I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him. And I'm so grateful he hung on. Did you talk to him in those four days? Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said? I said, I'm so sorry. And I got to. I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him. And he died in my arms.
Sandy Rios: Wow, that's. That's tough to hear, isn't it? Now, again, I think, I just think there are hints of God here. He doesn't say, just give me one more. But who do you. Who do you think he's talking to? You know, the next door neighbor? The policeman? No. Or the doctor? No. No. I think he was praying. He just seems afraid to say that. And so, ironically, I wish I could play the, montage for you, but there were people all over, like TikTok, saying, he did it. He's the one. He did it. She wouldn't do that. He was the one at twisting the facts and, just really putting him through hell with that, too. So there's that man. Well, all right, so there's a new revelation here about. I think it's just come out recently about what, Lindsay, Clancy's attorney, wants to do now, first of all, to remind you, the jury was deadlocked, because, most of the. It was like three men and nine women. And, Well, Bruce, I should let you talk about that. Tell them what exactly happened. Then we'll talk about what happened to this juror. My husband. Yes, my husband, ladies and gentlemen, Bruce, former FBI agent, who spent a ton of time in the courtroom as a prosecutor. And, Illinois and Cook County, Chicago.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Well, in Massachusetts, part of the trial is if someone's going to submit a defense of not guilty by reason of insanity, the burden lies on the prosecution, which is very unusual. Most states are the other way Illinois was. But, the burden lies on the prosecution to prove that the person knew what they were doing at the time they did it. And so that's what this jury was doing, is they were deliberating as to whether or not Ms. Clancy knew what she was doing or didn't. And the jury was composed of nine women, three men, all apparently, Caucasian, except for one black gentleman. And normally we wouldn't know these types of things about a jury that's not supposed to be revealed. if you remember, someone was arrested outside the courthouse trying to take pictures of the jury. and, that's how seriously we take the sanctity of serving on a jury or how we're supposed to take it. And in this case, as soon as the jury, was discharged because they could not come to a decision and a, mistrial was declared, members of this jury started going on media outlets, and they couldn't wait to rat out. Well, I would call it rat out, the person that held out, who turned out to be. And I may not pronounce his name correctly, but it's Micah Deserenville. D E S R O N V I L And, Micah, is a black gentleman. and they kept, they kept referring to that. If you remember, one of the jury members went on with Gayle King, a well known black, TV host, and she was mortified to find out that the one holdout was a black person.
Sandy Rios: Gayle King was mortified.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Yeah, Gayle King was mortified.
Sandy Rios: It's like, why I have to think about that.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): She goes, I have to sit with that for a while. I mean, that's so racist. But, anyway, so now the defense attorney, Reddington, for Ms. Clancy, is filing all kinds of motions. And I have to tell you, these motions really have nothing to do with what can happen in this trial. This trial is over. There has been a mistrial declared. Nothing is going to have them reconstitute the jury. Nothing is going to have them take the jury's decision, minus the one holdout, that those remedies are over. So the way I see these, motions from the defense is they're punitive. They're, asking for, like, to hurt him.
Sandy Rios: To hurt the jury?
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Yeah, to hurt the juror.
Sandy Rios: Well, Bruce, one thing. Let me ask.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Well, and another thing, too, not just to hurt him. They're also trying to taint anyone else who might serve on a future jury. They're trying to try this case in public and say that there's no one in their right mind who would think that this woman wasn't acting in an insane way when she did this crime, and that this juror held out and thought different. That's just ridiculous. So they're trying to get out ahead of it in case the state retries this lady.
Sandy Rios: Okay, well, Kevan Reddington, her. Lindsay Clancy's attorney, actually, during the trial they came after this juror. They came after. They called him out. He tried to get him removed from the, from the jury publicly. And someone doxxed this juror. Now, I don't know if they put it at Kim. Kim. Kevan Reddington's place. They gave enough information that people could dox him, and they actually did do that, and it's so dangerous. So now he's in a hidden place, I'll tell you.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): You know. Yes, actually, an attorney that represented Donald Trump now is representing the holdout juror. they have him, in a place of security and secrecy in NewSong England, but that's. That's how this thing has gotten. A guy who serves on a jury, does what he perceived as his sworn duty, and now he's being come after. And it's very ironic because, actually, the people who sat on that jury who swore that they would only consider the evidence that was presented to them, did everything except that they've already admitted that they were trying to make things better for women. They were trying to turn onto a new page for women. Well, that's fine, but you don't do that in a jury room. And that was not presented as evidence. So, I mean, if there's anyone who did not do their duty as a juror, it's many of these people that, were, against the holdout.
Sandy Rios: You know, that reminds me, I watched a lot of the conversations. We played them in the last show, that we recorded on this, and I would recommend that you guys go back and listen to that. They were having a conversation. One of the women said, well, we all know she killed her children, but, yeah, so that's what she said. But she said, but he wouldn't. Whatever he was, she was talking about, they were so mad at him because he would not listen. Now, his testimony since he started speaking out now in his own defense was that they would not listen to him. They would interrupt him. They just got ridiculous. He couldn't even make his point. So he's telling the truth here.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): And what Reddington is asking for now, he's asking for. There's a confidential juror questionnaire that everyone fills out, and I think the court clerk retains that. I don't know that that's issued to either side, the prosecution or the defense. And now, Reddington is demanding that he be given that. Well, at the very least, if they're going to investigate the background of the holdout juror, it should be done in what we call an in camera hearing. An in camera hearing. Means neither side is present, prosecution or defense. It's the judge. The judge reviewing the questionnaire. And to be honest, I would assume the judge probably saw the questionnaire when they were doing voir dire, which is where you select the jury. So, Reddington, to me, his purpose here is nefarious. He, again, is trying. He's trying to find some dirt on this, or, what he perceives as dirt on this holdout juror to again, show you that he is not fit, was not fit to be a juror and that in any future case, someone like him should not be allowed on the jury. They're also making. The defense is making a big deal out of. They think that the holdout juror was arrested at some point for spousal, abuse. as it turns out, this, you know, again, we find out too much information about this juror. But he was married, and he was married to a woman that he did not realize was an illegal immigrant, and they ended up divorcing. The, battery complaint that was made was dismissed. It was dropped by the now ex wife. So was there anything to that, or was that just being used as a, ah, as a, wedge, as a leverage by the now former wife? We don't know. But the thing is, as a prosecutor, if you find that someone has been arrested in their past or has been convicted of something, usually you do not want them on that jury because you always have the feeling that they have an axe to grind with the prosecution. So to me, whether or not he was ever arrested, that probably is irrelevant at this point because it doesn't make sense that he would be in favor of the state after having been arrested or convicted.
Sandy Rios: Bruce, do you have, that sentence that describes him? Because I think. I don't know. You know, since we're just talking about this today, we haven't said much about him, the juror. There's a descriptive paragraph there. Could you read that, please? I think it came from his attorney.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): As we said, Desrianville now is being represented by an attorney by the name of Edward Andrew Paltzik. And Paltzik issued a statement regarding Deserenville, and he describes his client as. He loves the United States of America, as the greatest country in the world, cherishes our sacred constitution as the pinnacle of human liberty, and supports our amazing leader, President Donald J. Trump, as a fellow defender of common sense, liberty and sanity.
Sandy Rios: Okay, so, yeah, so when he said he was. Now that he's a black and Republican, you can imagine that the, the. The. The darts and the arrows are pointed at him. It's really horrible. And who's racist? I wonder who's racist in this picture. I made that point in, The last show that I recorded was that the left is full of hypocrisy. When the people and the colors and the genders that they claim to, defend do something that kind of offends, their doctrine, then they go after them. They don't care whether they're black or transgender or whatever.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Well, as always, like, when it comes to the ACLU defending women or defending blacks or defending whomever they are, you have to be the, quote, right kind of white woman or right kind of black person for them to defend you. And if you're the, quote, unquote, wrong kind, they will have nothing to do with you. That usually means you're a conservative or a Republican.
Sandy Rios: Yeah, exactly. Well, on the issue of, Thank you, honey. On the issue of the sacredness of life, which that trial really was centered on that. I mean, like, what mother would do that? And I had made the point in the broadcast we did prior on this Lindsey Clancy murder trial was that I believe the whole issue of abortion, has created a hardness in women. And the feminist movement has put in women's hearts that they have a right to be free, that they shouldn't, motherhood is a burden, that waiting on their families, serving their husbands, you know, is a, disgrace. And they're. They're above that. You know, have it. Women have a place in our society, which is actually too much for me. I just think it's way over the line that women are always right. No, they aren't. they seem to be loud, and they certainly. Loud and in charge right now, but it's a distortion really of what the way things should be. But on the issue of, hardness of heart when it comes to life, I have a couple of other stories to tell you, and these are very sad, because then it bleeds to other things. Because life is sacred, not just for little babies. And I'm speaking as an evangelical Christian, which I am. It's not just sacred for little babies in the wound womb. It's also sacred for seniors. You know, the seniors in, in the hospital and in senior, centers. And Bruce and I had a lot of conversations about this when his mother started getting older. And she was, bright as. She was brilliant, actually, but her body was breaking down, and so it was like, is she suffering too much? Is this. You know. But she. She lived a long time, and we Would both say that we had wonderful, wonderful times with her in her last days. So in Canada, they have a program called maid It's M A I D and that stands for Medical Assistance in dying. and if you, I think are above 18 you can decide for yourself if you don't want to live and they will help you, you know, stop your life. And you could be just depressed or you know, you don't have to have many, many reasons. but they also now are in the business of euthanizing all elderly people because they are kind of overrun with immigrants like the United States is and they have only so many dollars to give medical care. That's why I think so many Canadians come here for care because they have to wait months and months often to have surgeries. And their system, their socialist system where everybody's covered, you know, it doesn't work out the way you think it might. And I'll just give you an example what just happened. The family of an 83 year old Christian woman who was allegedly killed by lethal injection without proper consent in a MAID procedure has filed a complaint with the office of the chief Coroner of Ontario sounding the alarm of about the euthanasia reign. All right, let me give you the characters here. Brigitte Stegman is the. She was from Germany originally. She was 83 years old. Her granddaughter in this article calls her Gigi. She's very close to her Gigi and the granddaughter is named after. Her name is Bridget Cranondonk. Crannandonk. I guess she must have married a German too. But so the daughter, the granddaughter speaks up and she said that her German born grandmother Brigitte Steggemann is a resident of Pearle, a long term care facility in Kenifton, Ontario. And she was diagnosed earlier this year with untreatable stage 4 stomach cancer. What Steggaman could have potent but she could have. The grandma could have. Gigi could have potentially survived three years. A meeting was held several months ago to discuss the possibility of maid assisted suicide. At that time Gigi clearly stated that she did not wish to pursue it. As a devout Christian, she explicitly expressed that MAID conflicted with her personal beliefs and faith. So Cranondonk, the granddaughter held legal power of attorney for Gigi. the grandmother, Gigi was approached on two occasions about pursuing maid assisted suicide while her granddaughter was, was on a ten day vacation. Then she was visited on July 7th for an assessment by the maid folks, by a physician identified as Catherine Ker Kester, another German name K O E S T E R. The Christian Canadian think tank Cardis noted in an Aug. 31 report that unlike most first world nations, Canada requires only one written request for euthanasia and, and one witness to that request and does not legally require communication with the patient's family members about the patient's medical history and state of mind. Okay, so now stay with me. many of you have parents and grandparents in nursing homes. There certainly are a lot of them around where I live. And 83 right now can be actually pretty vital still. At least it can where I live. so she is dying of cancer, but she's not dead. And so, and we don't know how she, how long she's going to live. Gigi. So behind the granddaughter's back, they euthanasia. Euthanize her. So this is what happened next. They came in to ask her questions, and she failed several questions. she was asked how many brothers and sisters she had. She said none, but the answer was 13. So based on that, even in spite of the fact that she couldn't answer that question, they said that she was, in good enough mind to assent to maid. And they claimed that she did assent to it. So they killed her. And Cranodonk, the granddaughter, told that her grandmother's final moments were a horror show, alleging that a gloveless nurse who supposedly treated the family members contemptuously had repeatedly failed to tap the right vein in one arm for the deadly IV before switching to the other arm and beginning the prodding anew. there was a phenomenal, phenomenal amount of blood, said Cranondonk, who indicated that Stegamon had. Grandma Gigi had wept bitterly in the lead up to her final day. And Crannandon said, oh, it is all over my almost arm. It is all over her nightie, soaking through her pillow, all over the sheets, there is so much blood. According to Cranondonk, the doctor entered the room on July 10, examined Stegman, and that she was going to. Explained to Steggaman that she was going to administer some medicine. And after 10 minutes, the woman was dead. I'm reading this from Blaze News, and it's, a great article. I'm. One last thing I want to say about this, Jason Kenny. I actually know Jason. Isn't that funny? These names pop up and I, I've been around, I guess, a long time, but Jason was a, MP in, Canada. I went up to, Ottawa to speak at a pro life rally, and that's when I met him. And, we. We became Friends of a sort. And then I brought him to Chicago to speak at an organization I was running in Chicago at the time. So Jason, I'll read back to the article. The Blaze, Canada's former conservative defense Minister and Alberta's 18th premier said that the tale of Steggaman's that's Gigi demise is an indictment of the Canadian Supreme Court's decision to trample on its own precedent and the democratic decisions of Parliament by opening the floodgates to killing the elderly and the infirm. If the claims made here are credible, the Crown must charge those responsible for the murder of ah, Brigitte Steggaman. So that's where it stands and I wanted to tell you that story. But before I leave that story, I want to read a few stats to you. This, assistance in suicide, medical assistance in dying. Isn't that nice? Called Maid M A I D kills more people each year in Canada than firearm homicides in the United States. and the deaths that they have produced are amazing. the deaths from assisted dying, is, are 16,499. The deaths from firearm homicide or 15,364. So that's at the point in which this was reported. But now, here's a story from LifeSite News. Canada has now euthanized over 100,000 people. 100,000 people. And again, you don't have to really have, follow strict guidelines. If you are I think 18 and you decide, you know, you're depressed, you don't want to live, they're happy to let you know, to help you. That's, that's the way they show mercy. So on the other side of the globe we go to the Netherlands. Now the Netherlands was the first country that I know that legalized, euthanasia. I used to talk about this a lot, but we come a long way baby. Come a long way. And let's listen to this clip from SG News. Clip 8.
Speaker D: The euthanasia of a severely disabled toddler in the Netherlands has drawn criticism from Christian news outlets. After a Dutch review committee approved the procedure despite objections from several doctors. The Billy Graham Evangelistic association published a critical article September 14th questioning the decision to end the nearly two year old's life. The panel released its findings September 9th. Following the procedure in late 2025. According to the association's report, the toddler was born prematurely and had severe brain damage, cerebral palsy, epilepsy and breathing difficulties. Independent physicians questioned whether the child's suffering was continuously unbearable and recommended alternative medication and palliative care. However, the official findings noted that doctors had tried the suggested treatment, which caused additional side effects. Another medical expert later supported the original doctor's assessment that no reasonable treatment could relieve the young patient's suffering. The parents subsequently consented to euthanas, and the Dutch review panel concluded that the attending physician had acted with due care. Although the findings did not state that the toddler was actively dying, they indicated a high risk of early death from medical complications. Meanwhile, Joshua Arnold, writing for Life News on September 17, raised ethical concerns, about ending the life of a child unable to request or refuse euthanasia. Drawing on Christian teaching, Arnold emphasized that every person bears God's image, regardless of disability. He also questioned whether greater practical and spiritual support could have helped the family through its difficult circumstances. The case marks the first reported instance under Dutch rules, expanded in 2024 to cover children aged 1 to 12. Although the review committee upheld the doctor's actions, the incident has raised questions about alternative treatments, consent, and the protection of vulnerable children.
Sandy Rios: All right, so that's what happened in the Netherlands. This baby's not even two years old and you just heard them describe the symptoms. Here's the thing. The parents cooperated with this. This is one of the requirements in the Dutch system of killing people. the parents do have to, they have to say it's all right. I want to give you some other facts about this case. this baby was the first to be killed under an expanded euthanasia law in, in the Netherlands that extended the age limit of euthanasia to include children from 1 to 12 if their parents agree. It was passed in 2024, but it wasn't until 2025 that a child was killed. So there are other, stipulations here. The law says the termination of the child's life is only allowed if a child is terminally ill and is suffering unbearably with no prospect of improvement. But the report on this child does not say the child was dying at age 18. People in the Netherlands. Netherlands. Netherlands. Have the full right to request to be euthanized, but children under the age of 12 have no rights to request to be euthanized. So, let me tell you a little bit more about this child's condition. One more thing. The child was born prematurely, had severe brain damage, unable to communicate. The child was diagnosed with visual, impairment, cerebral palsy, infantile elliptic spasm syndrome, and largely did not respond to epilepsy medication. she was restless. He. I don't know if it's. He or she child was restless and often unable to sleep. Additionally, mucus gathered in the lungs, making breathing and swallowing difficult. Though the child was nearly two years old, its developmental state was about six weeks. All right. You know, I know when you hear a story like that, you think, well, you know. Well, you know, you maybe don't even want to finish the sentence, but you think, what. What future? And how hard this is on the parents. I would know about this because I had a child almost identical to this. Sasha. My first, functioned like an infant until she died and had to be fed and lifted and bathed and, seizures. Multiple grand malls her entire life and lots of illnesses. And I took care of her at home for 20 years, and then I placed her in a residential facility for the last 15 years of her life. so I know something about this. And I remember when Sasha was smaller, I can't tell you, in my church, people would ask me this question, well, how long do you think she'll live? How long do you think she'll live? They'd ask me, well, this was my baby. This was my child that I cherished. her brokenness did not make me love her any less.
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She's not an object, a, thing to be talked about, a thing. She is a human being, a precious little girl with long black hair, long fingers. She has a heart and a soul. And they're asking me if. When she. When do I think she's going to die? I thought that I never did, get upset with people for imprudent statements because I knew they didn't understand. How could they possibly, unless they'd been in my position? So I wasn't prickly about that. But that one really hurt me. That really hurt me. And, my point to all of you is I think our natural, you know, look, I listen to this, and I know. I know what it took in my life to take care of my daughter Sasha. But I also know what it did for me. And this is the part, certainly, that people who don't have disabled children, broken in one way or another, can't quite comprehend. And that is the incredible blessing of having a child like that, the perspective that God brings you. I remember when Sasha was in intensive care when she was a year old, they'd shaved her head. She was having terrible seizures, and she was just limp. It was. She was in the window in the, intensive care unit.
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And, And of course, I was grieving. you can imagine I was grieving, right? So into this room pops this little girl named Lori. And she had a huge head. She had eyes that were spread out, lots of space between her eyes. She had a smaller, lower face with a little mouth, probably a normal size. She had a tracheotomy. So when she talked, she'd hold this device up and she'd talk like that. Hi.
Sandy Rios: And she'd wear little pink pajamas, just beautiful little pink pajamas with, you know, top and bottoms. And she, her feet. She'd walk on her toes. Her fingers and her toes were deformed, like pointed, just strange looking. But this is what happened. Lori would come in to the intensive care room every morning. Good morning. Good morning. And she would talk. And she had all the characteristics and mannerisms of just a, cute little feminine girl. She had absolutely no idea what she looked like. She had absolutely no idea. And you know what? God taught me something so profound. That's one of the first lessons I learned, that man looks on the outside appearance, but God looks on the heart. There's my little child, Lang. She looked perfect physically. She had long, really long dark hair. She was really a beautiful child. later that changed because of all her problems, but. And Lori's all, bless her heart. Broken physically, but filled with, you know, personality and charm. And man looks at the outside appearance, but God looks on the heart. So Lori taught me a lesson. Oh, my goodness.
The Unexpected Joy and Life Lessons Derived from Caring for a Child with Special Needs
And then one other story I'll tell you. I was walking. We were at UCLA at the time. Sasha was in the infant program where they tried to work with them and do exercises with them as much as they could do. And, we were walking into this particular building and it had very long corridors, very wide. So the door I was entering could see way down at the other end at another door. And I, There was a couple of adults standing there, and I looked down on the floor and there was a child without legs, without arms, moving like along the hallway, pushing. I believe it was a boy himself with his trunk, with his shoulder, where arms should be with his shoulders. And he was just talking, talking, talking. Well, yeah, well, I know that, you know, just like a child would talk. And it took my breath away to see him. And yet again, God taught me about the heart and soul and spirit. That God looks on the inner man, we look on the outer appearance. So these are deep lessons. Sasha taught me a lot more lessons about what's true, what isn't, what's real, what's important.
Transformative Power of Caring for a Disabled Child: Humility, Character, and Joy
You'd be amazed at how much you learn about what's important when you're dealing with that every day. She taught me humility she taught me humility. How in the world can someone who has a child that broken ever be filled with pride? How can you preen and be, proud of yourself in any way for any silly reason? When you have a child, your heart is broken. It tempers your personality. It just perfects your character. It's hard work. Who wants that? and also there's joy. Oh, my goodness, there's joy. my husband and I used to laugh. She would do just little funny things in her own broken way, and we would laugh and laugh. she brought joy to our family. And I'll tell you one last story. She brought joy to our friends and neighbors. I remember, one time I was in the kitchen working, as I always was, and Sasha in her wheelchair was sitting. Sitting there with me. And she used to sit and hold her arms up and kind of bend her fingers just up and down, up and down. And, Jeremy had some buddies, and they were probably about 8 years old, and they were playing in the family room, and one of them came in and said, Mrs. Rios, can Sasha come in the den with us? I thought, well, she can't even talk. You know, she can't talk. And the little boys wanted her to be in there with her. So she sat in her wheelchair while they played. And, I could hear them just talking, talking. They talk to her. And I'm telling you, it's life transforming. It's heartbreaking. It's hard work, but it will transform you. Do you think it's better for your character to do away with this child, to do away with the inconvenience?
Global Decline in the Value of Life and the Dangers of Cultural Wickedness
Do you think that that's the best thing? I think I would maintain that you're taking the life of your baby, and you're also killing your own soul. You're doing damage to yourself, just like an abortion. So I. I've, I've said enough. But I, just want to make that point. But this is happening all over the world, and it will be coming here if certain people have their way. Well, I hope I didn't make you too sad today, because, you know what? God understands all of this. There, you know, euthanasia and baby sacrifice goes back to ancient times. It's, when the wicked are in charge and there's. And God is not honored in the culture, what's to stop anything from happening? We can't let that happen. We can't let that happen. We're facing some real wickedness in our culture. People that are willing and able to kill, people that are absolutely fine with killing.
Call to Action: Supporting Preborn and Upholding the Value of Life
Whether it's, a president that they don't like, or a person in the street that they just want to or someone in the subway they just want to throw over the tracks, we are losing completely our value of life. And we cannot elect people who don't understand that, or this is going to be our future and worse. So, that's all. That's all I want to say today. I really do appreciate you listening, and I want to remind you that preborn, that's all about life. All about life, especially for little babies. you can you can help them to save these babies by going to preborn.com sandy that's preborn.com sandy. And make your most generous donation. Well, thank you so much for listening to today's edition of, Sandy Rios, 24 7.
Patrick Clancy Discusses Forgiveness and His Wife's Mental Illness After Tragic Events
Patrick Clancy: I saw headlines that said, you know, killer, mom and baby, murderer, monster. And none of them were accurate. I believed that it was her mental illness that caused that. So I shared those words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever. Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? I asked her if she remembered it. And what did she say? She said it was like a dream. And, she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking up. Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period, or do you feel like you did the best you could?
Patrick Clancy's Emotional Interview on 60 Minutes and Societal Controversies
I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time. And I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? no, but I gave it to her.
Sandy Rios: Well, that was the voice of Patrick Clancy, the wife, the husband of Lindsay Clancy. He was appearing on CBS 60 Minutes. It was very dramatic. It's just very dramatic, very sad. Actually.
Broader Societal Issues and Resistance to Covering Sensitive Stories of Violence
There's a lot of controversy, actually, about what he said. You know, he asked, if Linne. He was asked if Lindsay had asked his forgiveness, and he said no, but I have forgiven her. I think we should talk about that further on the show today. you may remember that we did a full show on this story, and I told you it's time. This is the kind of thing I never, ever want to cover. Because I. It's like tabloid people get so excited about. It becomes very prurient and kind of wicked. The curiosity about this, the fascination about a woman keeps killing her three children. It is unhealthy to me. And, it's one situation in the whole world. We have a lot of people getting killed. Ah, a lot of stories. And I just always resist this.
The Sanctity of Life, Abortion Debate, and International Euthanasia Practices
But this one really caught my eye when, the jurors turned on this loan Juror. And so I want to give you an update on that today, plus expand what we just heard Patrick Clancy say, on today's edition. But first, life is so precious. You know, Remember in Deuteronomy 30, where it says, above all, choose life. Choose life. Choose life. And that's where we stand. Christians, believe in life at both ends of the spectrum. From birth to death, from the elderly to the newborn. We believe that they have the right to life. And of course, our preamble to the Constitution guarantees that right. And that comes from scripture because our founding fathers were so steeped in it. But for some reason, this world is Just speaking, of twisting. They're twisting the whole notion. They've made abortion honorable. They even have this thing where they brag about their abortions. They tell the details. young girls especially, have been so bent, to wanting freedom and their way. and so the selfishness has actually caused them, I think, to move to a place of acceptance, of killing their own children. ladies and gentlemen, we have a lot of work to do, but there is something in place that will help those girls to make a better choice. It's very effective. It's called preborn. They, simply bring them in when the girls come voluntarily, and they show them a 40 ultrasound of their babies. And like magic, or maybe by God's divine spirit, when they see the baby moving in the womb, they just can't bring themselves to terminate it. And that's probably, that's true of about 70 or 80% of them. It's amazing. And so preborn provides. Those ultrasounds are like $28 for one. those of you who've been listening for a while are accustomed to that. Many of you have been giving generously, but some of you may be new listeners, and we would just invite you to go to preborn.com sandy. That's preborn.com sandy and, and help us save these babies and really, in the process, save their moms from a lot of grief and a lot of sorrow and regret in their future years. So that's preborn.com Sandy. All right, well, listen, this is going to be interesting, and we're also going to be talking today about a similar topic, really of a mother, killing her three babies, to the government killing people through euthanasia. A couple of stories. There's a story out of Canada, there's a story out of the Netherlands that will make you really cringe. And, so that's what we're going to do today, because I want to alert you that if we allow the left to win in this country, it's coming here, too. I think they tried, they got right up to the edge of it in Obamacare, and, but they didn't succeed, thank God. But that's what we're going to be talking about today on this edition of Sandy Rios, 24 7, from American Family Radio. Sandy Rios, we are not called to be nice. We are often called to be confrontational. And here with me in D.C. is Fox News contributor Sandy Rios.
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Patrick Clancy: I saw headlines that said, you know, killer, mom and baby, murderer, monster. And none of them were accurate. I believe that it was her mental illness that caused that. So I shared those words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever. Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? I asked her if she remembered it. And what did she say? She said it was like a dream, and, she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking up. Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period, or do you feel like you did the best you could? I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time. And I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? no, but I gave it to her.
Sandy Rios: Okay. So that's again, the voice of Patrick Clancy. I wanted you to hear that again because it's the kind of thing you need to kind of think about, don't you? So that was an interview with CBS, 60 Minutes. It's really good. If you are inclined to listen. I recommend it. You learn a lot of things. I listened to the mother's testimony. I find myself now drawn into this whole thing. And there's more information we're going to get to in a second. Bruce is with me, and he's going to bring the, latest legal, aspect of this to us. But, Sapatrick is this executive, and, he. Well, I think he's in the tech industry. I don't know if he's an executive. And he's moved to NewSong York now, and he's actually remarried because this crime or this murder happened a few years ago or a year and a half. I don't. You know, the justice system is very slow. So he's remembering, you know, what it's like to come back and see his children strangled. You know, he describes how he sees his wife, you know, lying down at the base of, the window. And I want to remind you what I learned from the policeman's testimony is that there really wasn't much Blood that the. The supposed, you know, slitting of her throat was more just a line. It wasn't even blood. Same thing with her wrists. And, So I think that's an important, ah, clue to me that maybe she wasn't all that serious. But I, Did m. Find myself having some sympathy for her, I have to tell you that. But let's go on here. He says, I think this is really amazing. And he doesn't expand on it, but he said he forgave her. And he said, I don't think I could carry that until I did do that. It would be too much of a burden. But he never mentions God. but I found out later that he. He just. There's too many things about, like, St. Patrick's Cathedral. He goes in and praise. I believe Patrick has a. He may be Catholic, Christian background. because why else would a man forgive his wife for that and say that he didn't think he'd have. Have relief until he did that? But the real issue that's getting more attention here is the fact that she did not ask forgiveness from him. And the point that people, are making. Well, if she was in a psychosis when she killed her children, and now she's come out of the psychosis because she's not on these drugs and she's sitting in the courtroom, or she's, you know. You know, being with her husband after these, murders, and she does not ask forgiveness. Well, I thought, if she's normal now, would you not beg for forgiveness from your husband? If it's true that you were under psychosis before and didn't know what you were doing, can you imagine killing your children and not telling, not begging her? And then, like, you were out of it, you accidentally did it. You did it because you didn't know what you were doing, and. And, then you come to your senses, and wouldn't you have regret and mourn and ask for forgiveness? So that's the part that people are talking about. And I think it's a very good point. Now, Patrick Clancy says one more thing which I think is pretty, moving. I want you to hear it. This is clip seven.
Patrick Clancy: So I didn't have all the details of Callan's condition. I just knew that they got a heartbeat back. So I remember, that night I really thought there was a chance that Callan would live. And I remember just thinking, just give me one. Just give me one kid. And I would raise him as best I could, and I would give him the best life I Possibly could. I'd tell him about his brother and sister, and I was holding out hope for that. And then when I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. I saw the look on her face, and I knew that it wasn't going to be a, a good prognosis. Callan's heart kept beating for four days. I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him. And I'm so grateful he hung on. Did you talk to him in those four days? Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said? I said, I'm so sorry. And I got to. I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him. And he died in my arms.
Sandy Rios: Wow, that's. That's tough to hear, isn't it? Now, again, I think, I just think there are hints of God here. He doesn't say, just give me one more. But who do you. Who do you think he's talking to? You know, the next door neighbor? The policeman? No. Or the doctor? No. No. I think he was praying. He just seems afraid to say that. And so, ironically, I wish I could play the, montage for you, but there were people all over, like TikTok, saying, he did it. He's the one. He did it. She wouldn't do that. He was the one at twisting the facts and, just really putting him through hell with that, too. So there's that man. Well, all right, so there's a new revelation here about. I think it's just come out recently about what, Lindsay, Clancy's attorney, wants to do now, first of all, to remind you, the jury was deadlocked, because, most of the. It was like three men and nine women. And, Well, Bruce, I should let you talk about that. Tell them what exactly happened. Then we'll talk about what happened to this juror. My husband. Yes, my husband, ladies and gentlemen, Bruce, former FBI agent, who spent a ton of time in the courtroom as a prosecutor. And, Illinois and Cook County, Chicago.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Well, in Massachusetts, part of the trial is if someone's going to submit a defense of not guilty by reason of insanity, the burden lies on the prosecution, which is very unusual. Most states are the other way Illinois was. But, the burden lies on the prosecution to prove that the person knew what they were doing at the time they did it. And so that's what this jury was doing, is they were deliberating as to whether or not Ms. Clancy knew what she was doing or didn't. And the jury was composed of nine women, three men, all apparently, Caucasian, except for one black gentleman. And normally we wouldn't know these types of things about a jury that's not supposed to be revealed. if you remember, someone was arrested outside the courthouse trying to take pictures of the jury. and, that's how seriously we take the sanctity of serving on a jury or how we're supposed to take it. And in this case, as soon as the jury, was discharged because they could not come to a decision and a, mistrial was declared, members of this jury started going on media outlets, and they couldn't wait to rat out. Well, I would call it rat out, the person that held out, who turned out to be. And I may not pronounce his name correctly, but it's Micah Deserenville. D E S R O N V I L And, Micah, is a black gentleman. and they kept, they kept referring to that. If you remember, one of the jury members went on with Gayle King, a well known black, TV host, and she was mortified to find out that the one holdout was a black person.
Sandy Rios: Gayle King was mortified.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Yeah, Gayle King was mortified.
Sandy Rios: It's like, why I have to think about that.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): She goes, I have to sit with that for a while. I mean, that's so racist. But, anyway, so now the defense attorney, Reddington, for Ms. Clancy, is filing all kinds of motions. And I have to tell you, these motions really have nothing to do with what can happen in this trial. This trial is over. There has been a mistrial declared. Nothing is going to have them reconstitute the jury. Nothing is going to have them take the jury's decision, minus the one holdout, that those remedies are over. So the way I see these, motions from the defense is they're punitive. They're, asking for, like, to hurt him.
Sandy Rios: To hurt the jury?
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Yeah, to hurt the juror.
Sandy Rios: Well, Bruce, one thing. Let me ask.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Well, and another thing, too, not just to hurt him. They're also trying to taint anyone else who might serve on a future jury. They're trying to try this case in public and say that there's no one in their right mind who would think that this woman wasn't acting in an insane way when she did this crime, and that this juror held out and thought different. That's just ridiculous. So they're trying to get out ahead of it in case the state retries this lady.
Sandy Rios: Okay, well, Kevan Reddington, her. Lindsay Clancy's attorney, actually, during the trial they came after this juror. They came after. They called him out. He tried to get him removed from the, from the jury publicly. And someone doxxed this juror. Now, I don't know if they put it at Kim. Kim. Kevan Reddington's place. They gave enough information that people could dox him, and they actually did do that, and it's so dangerous. So now he's in a hidden place, I'll tell you.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): You know. Yes, actually, an attorney that represented Donald Trump now is representing the holdout juror. they have him, in a place of security and secrecy in NewSong England, but that's. That's how this thing has gotten. A guy who serves on a jury, does what he perceived as his sworn duty, and now he's being come after. And it's very ironic because, actually, the people who sat on that jury who swore that they would only consider the evidence that was presented to them, did everything except that they've already admitted that they were trying to make things better for women. They were trying to turn onto a new page for women. Well, that's fine, but you don't do that in a jury room. And that was not presented as evidence. So, I mean, if there's anyone who did not do their duty as a juror, it's many of these people that, were, against the holdout.
Sandy Rios: You know, that reminds me, I watched a lot of the conversations. We played them in the last show, that we recorded on this, and I would recommend that you guys go back and listen to that. They were having a conversation. One of the women said, well, we all know she killed her children, but, yeah, so that's what she said. But she said, but he wouldn't. Whatever he was, she was talking about, they were so mad at him because he would not listen. Now, his testimony since he started speaking out now in his own defense was that they would not listen to him. They would interrupt him. They just got ridiculous. He couldn't even make his point. So he's telling the truth here.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): And what Reddington is asking for now, he's asking for. There's a confidential juror questionnaire that everyone fills out, and I think the court clerk retains that. I don't know that that's issued to either side, the prosecution or the defense. And now, Reddington is demanding that he be given that. Well, at the very least, if they're going to investigate the background of the holdout juror, it should be done in what we call an in camera hearing. An in camera hearing. Means neither side is present, prosecution or defense. It's the judge. The judge reviewing the questionnaire. And to be honest, I would assume the judge probably saw the questionnaire when they were doing voir dire, which is where you select the jury. So, Reddington, to me, his purpose here is nefarious. He, again, is trying. He's trying to find some dirt on this, or, what he perceives as dirt on this holdout juror to again, show you that he is not fit, was not fit to be a juror and that in any future case, someone like him should not be allowed on the jury. They're also making. The defense is making a big deal out of. They think that the holdout juror was arrested at some point for spousal, abuse. as it turns out, this, you know, again, we find out too much information about this juror. But he was married, and he was married to a woman that he did not realize was an illegal immigrant, and they ended up divorcing. The, battery complaint that was made was dismissed. It was dropped by the now ex wife. So was there anything to that, or was that just being used as a, ah, as a, wedge, as a leverage by the now former wife? We don't know. But the thing is, as a prosecutor, if you find that someone has been arrested in their past or has been convicted of something, usually you do not want them on that jury because you always have the feeling that they have an axe to grind with the prosecution. So to me, whether or not he was ever arrested, that probably is irrelevant at this point because it doesn't make sense that he would be in favor of the state after having been arrested or convicted.
Sandy Rios: Bruce, do you have, that sentence that describes him? Because I think. I don't know. You know, since we're just talking about this today, we haven't said much about him, the juror. There's a descriptive paragraph there. Could you read that, please? I think it came from his attorney.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): As we said, Desrianville now is being represented by an attorney by the name of Edward Andrew Paltzik. And Paltzik issued a statement regarding Deserenville, and he describes his client as. He loves the United States of America, as the greatest country in the world, cherishes our sacred constitution as the pinnacle of human liberty, and supports our amazing leader, President Donald J. Trump, as a fellow defender of common sense, liberty and sanity.
Sandy Rios: Okay, so, yeah, so when he said he was. Now that he's a black and Republican, you can imagine that the, the. The. The darts and the arrows are pointed at him. It's really horrible. And who's racist? I wonder who's racist in this picture. I made that point in, The last show that I recorded was that the left is full of hypocrisy. When the people and the colors and the genders that they claim to, defend do something that kind of offends, their doctrine, then they go after them. They don't care whether they're black or transgender or whatever.
Bruce (Sandy Rios' husband): Well, as always, like, when it comes to the ACLU defending women or defending blacks or defending whomever they are, you have to be the, quote, right kind of white woman or right kind of black person for them to defend you. And if you're the, quote, unquote, wrong kind, they will have nothing to do with you. That usually means you're a conservative or a Republican.
Sandy Rios: Yeah, exactly. Well, on the issue of, Thank you, honey. On the issue of the sacredness of life, which that trial really was centered on that. I mean, like, what mother would do that? And I had made the point in the broadcast we did prior on this Lindsey Clancy murder trial was that I believe the whole issue of abortion, has created a hardness in women. And the feminist movement has put in women's hearts that they have a right to be free, that they shouldn't, motherhood is a burden, that waiting on their families, serving their husbands, you know, is a, disgrace. And they're. They're above that. You know, have it. Women have a place in our society, which is actually too much for me. I just think it's way over the line that women are always right. No, they aren't. they seem to be loud, and they certainly. Loud and in charge right now, but it's a distortion really of what the way things should be. But on the issue of, hardness of heart when it comes to life, I have a couple of other stories to tell you, and these are very sad, because then it bleeds to other things. Because life is sacred, not just for little babies. And I'm speaking as an evangelical Christian, which I am. It's not just sacred for little babies in the wound womb. It's also sacred for seniors. You know, the seniors in, in the hospital and in senior, centers. And Bruce and I had a lot of conversations about this when his mother started getting older. And she was, bright as. She was brilliant, actually, but her body was breaking down, and so it was like, is she suffering too much? Is this. You know. But she. She lived a long time, and we Would both say that we had wonderful, wonderful times with her in her last days. So in Canada, they have a program called maid It's M A I D and that stands for Medical Assistance in dying. and if you, I think are above 18 you can decide for yourself if you don't want to live and they will help you, you know, stop your life. And you could be just depressed or you know, you don't have to have many, many reasons. but they also now are in the business of euthanizing all elderly people because they are kind of overrun with immigrants like the United States is and they have only so many dollars to give medical care. That's why I think so many Canadians come here for care because they have to wait months and months often to have surgeries. And their system, their socialist system where everybody's covered, you know, it doesn't work out the way you think it might. And I'll just give you an example what just happened. The family of an 83 year old Christian woman who was allegedly killed by lethal injection without proper consent in a MAID procedure has filed a complaint with the office of the chief Coroner of Ontario sounding the alarm of about the euthanasia reign. All right, let me give you the characters here. Brigitte Stegman is the. She was from Germany originally. She was 83 years old. Her granddaughter in this article calls her Gigi. She's very close to her Gigi and the granddaughter is named after. Her name is Bridget Cranondonk. Crannandonk. I guess she must have married a German too. But so the daughter, the granddaughter speaks up and she said that her German born grandmother Brigitte Steggemann is a resident of Pearle, a long term care facility in Kenifton, Ontario. And she was diagnosed earlier this year with untreatable stage 4 stomach cancer. What Steggaman could have potent but she could have. The grandma could have. Gigi could have potentially survived three years. A meeting was held several months ago to discuss the possibility of maid assisted suicide. At that time Gigi clearly stated that she did not wish to pursue it. As a devout Christian, she explicitly expressed that MAID conflicted with her personal beliefs and faith. So Cranondonk, the granddaughter held legal power of attorney for Gigi. the grandmother, Gigi was approached on two occasions about pursuing maid assisted suicide while her granddaughter was, was on a ten day vacation. Then she was visited on July 7th for an assessment by the maid folks, by a physician identified as Catherine Ker Kester, another German name K O E S T E R. The Christian Canadian think tank Cardis noted in an Aug. 31 report that unlike most first world nations, Canada requires only one written request for euthanasia and, and one witness to that request and does not legally require communication with the patient's family members about the patient's medical history and state of mind. Okay, so now stay with me. many of you have parents and grandparents in nursing homes. There certainly are a lot of them around where I live. And 83 right now can be actually pretty vital still. At least it can where I live. so she is dying of cancer, but she's not dead. And so, and we don't know how she, how long she's going to live. Gigi. So behind the granddaughter's back, they euthanasia. Euthanize her. So this is what happened next. They came in to ask her questions, and she failed several questions. she was asked how many brothers and sisters she had. She said none, but the answer was 13. So based on that, even in spite of the fact that she couldn't answer that question, they said that she was, in good enough mind to assent to maid. And they claimed that she did assent to it. So they killed her. And Cranodonk, the granddaughter, told that her grandmother's final moments were a horror show, alleging that a gloveless nurse who supposedly treated the family members contemptuously had repeatedly failed to tap the right vein in one arm for the deadly IV before switching to the other arm and beginning the prodding anew. there was a phenomenal, phenomenal amount of blood, said Cranondonk, who indicated that Stegamon had. Grandma Gigi had wept bitterly in the lead up to her final day. And Crannandon said, oh, it is all over my almost arm. It is all over her nightie, soaking through her pillow, all over the sheets, there is so much blood. According to Cranondonk, the doctor entered the room on July 10, examined Stegman, and that she was going to. Explained to Steggaman that she was going to administer some medicine. And after 10 minutes, the woman was dead. I'm reading this from Blaze News, and it's, a great article. I'm. One last thing I want to say about this, Jason Kenny. I actually know Jason. Isn't that funny? These names pop up and I, I've been around, I guess, a long time, but Jason was a, MP in, Canada. I went up to, Ottawa to speak at a pro life rally, and that's when I met him. And, we. We became Friends of a sort. And then I brought him to Chicago to speak at an organization I was running in Chicago at the time. So Jason, I'll read back to the article. The Blaze, Canada's former conservative defense Minister and Alberta's 18th premier said that the tale of Steggaman's that's Gigi demise is an indictment of the Canadian Supreme Court's decision to trample on its own precedent and the democratic decisions of Parliament by opening the floodgates to killing the elderly and the infirm. If the claims made here are credible, the Crown must charge those responsible for the murder of ah, Brigitte Steggaman. So that's where it stands and I wanted to tell you that story. But before I leave that story, I want to read a few stats to you. This, assistance in suicide, medical assistance in dying. Isn't that nice? Called Maid M A I D kills more people each year in Canada than firearm homicides in the United States. and the deaths that they have produced are amazing. the deaths from assisted dying, is, are 16,499. The deaths from firearm homicide or 15,364. So that's at the point in which this was reported. But now, here's a story from LifeSite News. Canada has now euthanized over 100,000 people. 100,000 people. And again, you don't have to really have, follow strict guidelines. If you are I think 18 and you decide, you know, you're depressed, you don't want to live, they're happy to let you know, to help you. That's, that's the way they show mercy. So on the other side of the globe we go to the Netherlands. Now the Netherlands was the first country that I know that legalized, euthanasia. I used to talk about this a lot, but we come a long way baby. Come a long way. And let's listen to this clip from SG News. Clip 8.
Speaker D: The euthanasia of a severely disabled toddler in the Netherlands has drawn criticism from Christian news outlets. After a Dutch review committee approved the procedure despite objections from several doctors. The Billy Graham Evangelistic association published a critical article September 14th questioning the decision to end the nearly two year old's life. The panel released its findings September 9th. Following the procedure in late 2025. According to the association's report, the toddler was born prematurely and had severe brain damage, cerebral palsy, epilepsy and breathing difficulties. Independent physicians questioned whether the child's suffering was continuously unbearable and recommended alternative medication and palliative care. However, the official findings noted that doctors had tried the suggested treatment, which caused additional side effects. Another medical expert later supported the original doctor's assessment that no reasonable treatment could relieve the young patient's suffering. The parents subsequently consented to euthanas, and the Dutch review panel concluded that the attending physician had acted with due care. Although the findings did not state that the toddler was actively dying, they indicated a high risk of early death from medical complications. Meanwhile, Joshua Arnold, writing for Life News on September 17, raised ethical concerns, about ending the life of a child unable to request or refuse euthanasia. Drawing on Christian teaching, Arnold emphasized that every person bears God's image, regardless of disability. He also questioned whether greater practical and spiritual support could have helped the family through its difficult circumstances. The case marks the first reported instance under Dutch rules, expanded in 2024 to cover children aged 1 to 12. Although the review committee upheld the doctor's actions, the incident has raised questions about alternative treatments, consent, and the protection of vulnerable children.
Sandy Rios: All right, so that's what happened in the Netherlands. This baby's not even two years old and you just heard them describe the symptoms. Here's the thing. The parents cooperated with this. This is one of the requirements in the Dutch system of killing people. the parents do have to, they have to say it's all right. I want to give you some other facts about this case. this baby was the first to be killed under an expanded euthanasia law in, in the Netherlands that extended the age limit of euthanasia to include children from 1 to 12 if their parents agree. It was passed in 2024, but it wasn't until 2025 that a child was killed. So there are other, stipulations here. The law says the termination of the child's life is only allowed if a child is terminally ill and is suffering unbearably with no prospect of improvement. But the report on this child does not say the child was dying at age 18. People in the Netherlands. Netherlands. Netherlands. Have the full right to request to be euthanized, but children under the age of 12 have no rights to request to be euthanized. So, let me tell you a little bit more about this child's condition. One more thing. The child was born prematurely, had severe brain damage, unable to communicate. The child was diagnosed with visual, impairment, cerebral palsy, infantile elliptic spasm syndrome, and largely did not respond to epilepsy medication. she was restless. He. I don't know if it's. He or she child was restless and often unable to sleep. Additionally, mucus gathered in the lungs, making breathing and swallowing difficult. Though the child was nearly two years old, its developmental state was about six weeks. All right. You know, I know when you hear a story like that, you think, well, you know. Well, you know, you maybe don't even want to finish the sentence, but you think, what. What future? And how hard this is on the parents. I would know about this because I had a child almost identical to this. Sasha. My first, functioned like an infant until she died and had to be fed and lifted and bathed and, seizures. Multiple grand malls her entire life and lots of illnesses. And I took care of her at home for 20 years, and then I placed her in a residential facility for the last 15 years of her life. so I know something about this. And I remember when Sasha was smaller, I can't tell you, in my church, people would ask me this question, well, how long do you think she'll live? How long do you think she'll live? They'd ask me, well, this was my baby. This was my child that I cherished. her brokenness did not make me love her any less.
Lessons from Caring for a Severely Disabled Child: Humility and Perspective
She's not an object, a, thing to be talked about, a thing. She is a human being, a precious little girl with long black hair, long fingers. She has a heart and a soul. And they're asking me if. When she. When do I think she's going to die? I thought that I never did, get upset with people for imprudent statements because I knew they didn't understand. How could they possibly, unless they'd been in my position? So I wasn't prickly about that. But that one really hurt me. That really hurt me. And, my point to all of you is I think our natural, you know, look, I listen to this, and I know. I know what it took in my life to take care of my daughter Sasha. But I also know what it did for me. And this is the part, certainly, that people who don't have disabled children, broken in one way or another, can't quite comprehend. And that is the incredible blessing of having a child like that, the perspective that God brings you. I remember when Sasha was in intensive care when she was a year old, they'd shaved her head. She was having terrible seizures, and she was just limp. It was. She was in the window in the, intensive care unit.
Profound Encounters with Children Facing Severe Disabilities and Their Inner Strength
And, And of course, I was grieving. you can imagine I was grieving, right? So into this room pops this little girl named Lori. And she had a huge head. She had eyes that were spread out, lots of space between her eyes. She had a smaller, lower face with a little mouth, probably a normal size. She had a tracheotomy. So when she talked, she'd hold this device up and she'd talk like that. Hi.
Sandy Rios: And she'd wear little pink pajamas, just beautiful little pink pajamas with, you know, top and bottoms. And she, her feet. She'd walk on her toes. Her fingers and her toes were deformed, like pointed, just strange looking. But this is what happened. Lori would come in to the intensive care room every morning. Good morning. Good morning. And she would talk. And she had all the characteristics and mannerisms of just a, cute little feminine girl. She had absolutely no idea what she looked like. She had absolutely no idea. And you know what? God taught me something so profound. That's one of the first lessons I learned, that man looks on the outside appearance, but God looks on the heart. There's my little child, Lang. She looked perfect physically. She had long, really long dark hair. She was really a beautiful child. later that changed because of all her problems, but. And Lori's all, bless her heart. Broken physically, but filled with, you know, personality and charm. And man looks at the outside appearance, but God looks on the heart. So Lori taught me a lesson. Oh, my goodness.
The Unexpected Joy and Life Lessons Derived from Caring for a Child with Special Needs
And then one other story I'll tell you. I was walking. We were at UCLA at the time. Sasha was in the infant program where they tried to work with them and do exercises with them as much as they could do. And, we were walking into this particular building and it had very long corridors, very wide. So the door I was entering could see way down at the other end at another door. And I, There was a couple of adults standing there, and I looked down on the floor and there was a child without legs, without arms, moving like along the hallway, pushing. I believe it was a boy himself with his trunk, with his shoulder, where arms should be with his shoulders. And he was just talking, talking, talking. Well, yeah, well, I know that, you know, just like a child would talk. And it took my breath away to see him. And yet again, God taught me about the heart and soul and spirit. That God looks on the inner man, we look on the outer appearance. So these are deep lessons. Sasha taught me a lot more lessons about what's true, what isn't, what's real, what's important.
Transformative Power of Caring for a Disabled Child: Humility, Character, and Joy
You'd be amazed at how much you learn about what's important when you're dealing with that every day. She taught me humility she taught me humility. How in the world can someone who has a child that broken ever be filled with pride? How can you preen and be, proud of yourself in any way for any silly reason? When you have a child, your heart is broken. It tempers your personality. It just perfects your character. It's hard work. Who wants that? and also there's joy. Oh, my goodness, there's joy. my husband and I used to laugh. She would do just little funny things in her own broken way, and we would laugh and laugh. she brought joy to our family. And I'll tell you one last story. She brought joy to our friends and neighbors. I remember, one time I was in the kitchen working, as I always was, and Sasha in her wheelchair was sitting. Sitting there with me. And she used to sit and hold her arms up and kind of bend her fingers just up and down, up and down. And, Jeremy had some buddies, and they were probably about 8 years old, and they were playing in the family room, and one of them came in and said, Mrs. Rios, can Sasha come in the den with us? I thought, well, she can't even talk. You know, she can't talk. And the little boys wanted her to be in there with her. So she sat in her wheelchair while they played. And, I could hear them just talking, talking. They talk to her. And I'm telling you, it's life transforming. It's heartbreaking. It's hard work, but it will transform you. Do you think it's better for your character to do away with this child, to do away with the inconvenience?
Global Decline in the Value of Life and the Dangers of Cultural Wickedness
Do you think that that's the best thing? I think I would maintain that you're taking the life of your baby, and you're also killing your own soul. You're doing damage to yourself, just like an abortion. So I. I've, I've said enough. But I, just want to make that point. But this is happening all over the world, and it will be coming here if certain people have their way. Well, I hope I didn't make you too sad today, because, you know what? God understands all of this. There, you know, euthanasia and baby sacrifice goes back to ancient times. It's, when the wicked are in charge and there's. And God is not honored in the culture, what's to stop anything from happening? We can't let that happen. We can't let that happen. We're facing some real wickedness in our culture. People that are willing and able to kill, people that are absolutely fine with killing.
Call to Action: Supporting Preborn and Upholding the Value of Life
Whether it's, a president that they don't like, or a person in the street that they just want to or someone in the subway they just want to throw over the tracks, we are losing completely our value of life. And we cannot elect people who don't understand that, or this is going to be our future and worse. So, that's all. That's all I want to say today. I really do appreciate you listening, and I want to remind you that preborn, that's all about life. All about life, especially for little babies. you can you can help them to save these babies by going to preborn.com sandy that's preborn.com sandy. And make your most generous donation. Well, thank you so much for listening to today's edition of, Sandy Rios, 24 7.
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