Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Paisley
>> Steve Jordahl: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network on, this Thursday, April 17th. Thank you for listening to AFR, Tim, Ed and Fred here. And now, Steve Paisley. Jordan joins us. Good morning, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: So Steve's got a short sleeve shirt on today, but it is paisley. It is paisley.
>> Steve Jordahl: It does have, yeah, small paisleys.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, it's paisley.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's this paisley gonna come back or back?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I mean, he's gonna be buying these shirts from somewhere. Someone's making them.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm doing my best.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. I don't know. I heard President Trump talking about getting a tariff. Slapping a tariff on Paisley.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, that was bad.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I think he's going to have a revolt inside the magazine. M. You start slapping tariffs on paisley. Is there a lot of paisley polka dots, too? He said he was talking about that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Certainly. On flannel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Flannel.
Steve Shepherd: The purpose of the Apollo program was to get man to moon
All right, Steve, what do you. You had the, you said you have the skinny on the, Apollo.
>> Steve Jordahl: You guys were talking about Apollo. So it asked, did they all go to the moon? so the, the purpose of the Apollo program was to get a man to the moon and return him safely home. But, for example, Apollo 1, they had a terrible, tragic fire on the launching pad. It killed three of the astronauts. and then the missions, early missions, were things like trying out the Titan rocket. So they'd launch it and just have it unmanned. The first couple were unmanned. Then they had, them practice the docking of the lemon. All of the stuff they practiced. And then they set a couple flights up that just orbited the moon and came back.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I didn't know that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, that's, yeah, Apollo 8 and such, and then finally Apollo 11.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Those are unmanned missions around the moon.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, no, they were manned.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: Remember the picture of the Earthrise or. That was one of those unmanned. Those manned lunar missions, they didn't land on the moon.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: But, as Apollo 11 was the.
>> Ed Vitagliano: First, that was a whole other technical hurdle.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. Can we slingshot you around the moon and use that to get you, get us back home? What, happens in that, what, 45 seconds or so or three minutes, whatever, when you're behind the moon and you're out of contact with.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: With NASA and nobody knew what was. Well, until they circled the moon, nobody really knew what was on the dark side of them.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. I mean, I didn't think Floyd Did. It was.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I. I think there was, A lot of people thought there was a Nazi base.
>> Steve Jordahl: It could have been on the dark.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Dark side of the.
>> Steve Jordahl: I've seen some movies. No, but that's.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That is true.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That was one of the beliefs. I know you're looking at me. You just.
>> Tim Wildmon: I had not heard that theory before. You subscribe to that?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No. No.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Are you kidding? What kind of dreamer do you think I am?
>> Fred Jackson: But there was a Marriott and a Dollar General.
>> Steve Jordahl: Dollar General.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Dollar General. First M1's on the moon, three, you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Know, within a mile of each other.
>> Ed Vitagliano: All right. Hey, so that. That's very interesting. I, I, I'm sure I knew that at some point in my life. We probably covered it in sixth grade or something like that, but I, I had, I had forgotten all that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, remember the, the, There was. I, shouldn't go because I can't remember all the details. The first round of NASA launches were.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Single, like Mercury or Gemini.
>> Steve Jordahl: Mercury. Well, Mercury and then Gemini and then Apollo.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: Mercury was single, like, the first man to orbit the moon. Orbit the Earth.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Shepherd. Shepherd.
>> Fred Jackson: John Glenn.
>> Steve Jordahl: John Glenn. And then there was, Gemini, which was the two men, and they did spacewalks and that kind of stuff.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And then Apollo, they set a dog up there.
>> Steve Jordahl: The Russians.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That didn't.
>> Steve Jordahl: Didn't end well for the dog.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. really?
>> Tim Wildmon: What happened?
>> Steve Jordahl: He died.
>> Ed Vitagliano: He died. Is he still up there?
>> Steve Jordahl: No, no, no.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They brought them back.
>> Steve Jordahl: Brought the capsule back, but.
Steve: I forgot about that one. I'm using that as a trivia question next week
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, well, you act like I should know that.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, I'm sorry.
>> Tim Wildmon: I forgot about that one.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and the dog's name was Alpo, so, I mean, you draw your own conclusion.
>> Steve Jordahl: It was like a,
>> Ed Vitagliano: You. So you know the name Steve? I'm just a geek. I'm impressed.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's your name of. What was the name like?
>> Steve Jordahl: It was the name of the dog.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm using that. I'm using that as a trivia question next week. Look it up, see who's paying attention.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I just want to start singing B I N G O. But it wasn't Bingo.
>> Steve Jordahl: No. Like I was Alpha L I K s. Yeah.
Department of Homeland Security tweets about alleged domestic violence against candidate
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, so moving on.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, moving on. The Democrats continue to hitch their wagon to winners. hhs. The Homeland Security. The Department of Homeland Security tweeted out this, tweet. Kilmar Obrego. Garcia has a history of violence and was not the upstanding Maryland man the media has portrayed him to be. According to court filings, Garcia's wife sought a domestic violence Restraining order against him, claiming to be he punched, scratched and ripped her shirt, among other things. So. And this is, I guess it's an alleged, abuser. But this is put out by the Homeland Security office. So it's not like somebody's making this up. And they have the complaint. Picture of the complaint.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And. But now, Fred. We did mention this story in the first hour. Fred also mentioned. Yeah, but. But now she wants him back.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah. So the Democrats were playing a video of her the other day, got her, you know, bring my husband home.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Now, that's not unusual. My understanding is, that's not unusual in some abuse cases where the, the woman is torn between being afraid but then wanting her husband to be with her. So sometimes they, they drop charges. And so I don't know what happened in, in these particular instances, but.
Babylon Bee reports American hostages in Gaza are disguising themselves as MS
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, in a related story, the Babylon Bee is reporting that American hostages in Gaza are disguising themselves as MS.13 gang members. So Democrats will fight to bring them home.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The Democrats. This is not, listen, you've got to have more going for you than trying to defend savage gang members.
>> Steve Jordahl: It is.
>> Ed Vitagliano: This is. This is bad for them. I don't know who. I don't know who's in charge. Maybe Biden's still in charge, and that's why this is happening.
>> Tim Wildmon: Next story, Steve.
J6 prisoners are getting a little vexed with the Trump administration
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, M. I don't know if this is cracks in the MAGA wall, if you could say that, but, I think it would be generally understood that the most fervent among the MAGA crowd are those that were arrested and have been in prison for several years, because of the Capitol, riot. Well, it's being reported in the hill that the, J6 prisoners are getting a little, they say the word is vexed with the Trump administration because even though he did give them the federal, clemency, he pardoned them, they're still in because of local charges, but they believe, don't believe that he's delivering on his campaign promise to pay back their prosecutors for weaponizing the. So they haven't gone after them. I saw a tweet from, Dan Bongino, who's the deputy director of the FBI, who said, don't mistake. Basically said, don't mistake you not being able to see progress for there not being progress, because a lot of stuff happens behind the scenes. But, the J6, if. If. I don't know if that's a crack in the mega wall, because there's a story we did just a little while ago about People flogging, flocking to mega Americans. I think we talked about it. Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't think this is, I mean this is still a tragedy what's happened to the vast majority of these people. Now they are. So some of them are still in jail because of local charges. I didn't know that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. well, Trump only has. The President only has the power to forgive federal charges.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: The Washington D.C. capitol Police.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm shocked that Washington D.C. would continue to go after these folks. They're so fair minded.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
A judge says Google has an illegal online ad tech monopoly
hey, we had a ruling come down this morning from a judge, Leonie Brinkama in Alexandria, Virginia. This judge has found that Google has held an illegal online ad tech monopoly. Google has a monopoly on the way that ads are run online. And the judge says maybe time to break up Google.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow. Well, now breaking up Google, that, that would be like massive. Now the judge is threatening to. I mean, the judge can't do that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Though the ruling could allow prosecutors to argue for a breakup of Google's at least their advertising products. So there's two, Two, products that things, that they, that she, the judge says that they have a, A monopoly on. The first is called, a, ad. A publisher ad server. Basically it's which, it's the server that helps Google decide which ads to show on their website to target some things. And then also they had a, their ad exchange server, which is, where advertisers buy advertising.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't, I don't understand any of that, but okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: The process by which their ads, the judge says you're. And they've done it by buying up competitors.
>> Ed Vitagliano: but, but to break up Google, that would have to be through government prosecution. Right? I mean a judge, A judge can't break up a company.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't remember how Ma Bell went down, but it would be the same kind of thing.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: My Bell, Ma Bell, like the Bell company, that owns all the television. Telephone.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It used to be. Yeah, the telephone system. A lot of people, younger people don't remember this or know it, but, the Bell company was a monopoly for the phones. You use the phone. It was the Bell. And then they broke it up into Bell South.
>> Steve Jordahl: Baby Bells.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, Baby Bells. And then finally they just were squashed by the revolution on handheld phones, Verizon and.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, that kind of stuff. Sure.
Young Americans are leaving organized religion while maintaining personal spiritual beliefs and practices
all right, I've got a couple of studies that came out that I think are kind of interesting. I'll be covering these at, for American Family News. But I thought I'd bring them up here. A, ah, study is revealing that, young Americans have a profound shift that's happening in their lives. They're walking away from churches, synagogues and mosques in record number while maintaining personal spiritual beliefs and practices. In other words, they believe in God but not in church. And a second study which finds that Americans, are. There's. Leaving organized religion for personal, truth is what the. This thing the, study says. Leaving organized religion. Search of personalized Faith perspectives or syncretism. Which. Ed, you can define that, right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Syncretism is the, it is,
>> Tim Wildmon: Lepic Pool dancers.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Am I right?
>> Steve Jordahl: That is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Am I right? Do they not do synchronization?
>> Ed Vitagliano: They do synchronized swimming.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. Where they, where they join together.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: To do parallel.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're pretty good at it.
>> Steve Jordahl: And according to this study, there's a church underwater that they attend.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, syncretism is, ah, the joining of combining, of various religious beliefs into a, A, religious system, that's different, distinct from its parts.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's like the, the, What's the buffet? The buffet. Pick and choose what you like.
>> Fred Jackson: I read a little bit about these studies. and as an example, these people are leaving churches that preach against the sin of homosexuality.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: So they want to be part of a belief system that believes in a God who is okay with sexual perversion.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: So they want to bring. They're worldly, growing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Excuse me, friend. They're not growing, they're dying. organized, mainstream. I mean, let me explain myself here. so yeah, the, the liberal churches are dying because they don't believe in anything. And the United Methodist Church, for example, just split up because the churches that do believe in the Apostles Creed and the Bible and teachings about human sexuality that have been around for 2,000 years, those churches are going to grow. And they left the denomination.
>> Steve Jordahl: They're not called Global Methodists.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. So the. But this trend by Americans in particular, and the Europeans left a long time ago. They're basically atheist. Atheists and agnostics, in dominate, Europe now. So, and Muslims, a lot of Muslims, but even the Muslims are backslidden, which is a good thing actually. But, this idea of moving toward, individualized spirituality, as they call it, that's been trending in America for 30 years or so. And here's why. Is because people don't want to be told how to live, but they don't want to say they're atheist Americans. That's unpopular, too. So you don't, so what you do is you try to say, well, I'm, you'll hear this all the time, especially from entertainers. They'll say, our politicians, especially the, you know, the pop culture. They'll say, well, I'm, I'm spirit. I have spirit. I'm, I'm a spiritual person, but I'm not into organized religion. Well, you hear that over and over and over again. What that means is I get to make up everything myself.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't have to follow a dogma. I don't have to follow, the Bible or a religious creed. I get to make it up as I go along. But then I get to, you know, sit with my legs crossed and raise my palms and say, I believe in spirituality, whatever that is.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And oftentimes it goes undefined. If you were to ask these people who say, I believe in spirituality. Well, what do you, what, give me five things of these things I believe, you know what I'm saying? And they probably couldn't give it to you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Either that or they could. Even though they're saying, I don't believe in dogma, but I do have these beliefs that I think are right, but.
>> Tim Wildmon: They don't want to tell you. They want to subscribe to. Everybody gets to make up their own.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Value system as long as it agrees with them.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
Tim Ferriss: Christianity as defined by the Bible is not that
>> Ed Vitagliano: I just want to say this, that while it is technically true that you can be a Christian all by yourself, okay. You have an individual relationship with God, it is not a biblical idea that you can be a Christian without belonging to a church.
>> Steve Jordahl: Is it true that God builds your mansion in heaven on a desert island? You get to spend eternity by yourself?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. No, Listen, the New Testament is all about Christian community. It is how God helps us grow. It is how we are allowed to express the increasing capacity for love for other people. You, it is not a biblical idea to not belong to a church. And, and, and that does cross the Go across the grain what you're talking about, Tim, where these people want to be Christian or something else, call themselves something and say, but I'm not telling anyone else, how to live their lives. And I'm going to do this on my own. Well, that is not a biblical idea. I, I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't know that that should be shocking to people, but you cannot read the New Testament without seeing we and each other. That is the way God designed it. And it is called the body of Christ for a reason. The apostle Paul talks about how we are all individuals, members of one body. So for those who are considering that, I would just say you can technically have a relationship with God by yourself, but Christianity as defined by the Bible is not that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. The New Age movement, that. That took off, like, in the 60s and 70s and 80s, the new Age movement, Eastern mysticism.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: A lot of it's undefined. you know, again, I said there's no. There's no tenets of these things. We believe, like, in individual, spirituality. so that way you avoid. You don't violate anything, because there are no commandments to violate, nothing to violate. In the Christian teaching, religion, faith.
>> Steve Jordahl: The.
>> Tim Wildmon: Orthodox people who actually believe things, you say, well, the Ten Commandments is from God, and I got to obey them. The Sermon on the Mount is from God through Jesus Christ. I got to obey that. I got to try every day. So. But the person who's individually spiritual, quote, yeah. They're not going to be bound by those rules. Okay?
>> Ed Vitagliano: They're inconvenient, Tim.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're committed. That. That puts a moral code on them that they don't want.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: They don't want those shackles. Okay. So they just say, well, I'm spiritual. Well, it's. Again, it's undefined.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I, believe in a higher power.
>> Tim Wildmon: You'll get that, too.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, what is that higher power? I don't know. Yeah, that didn't do you any good.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And you can define it however you want, right? Yeah, and I'll define it however I want.
Steve: God by his very nature, is relational
>> Steve Jordahl: All right.
>> Tim Wildmon: you're listening to. Let me tell folks. You're listening to the radio program Today's Issues and the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for joining us, Tim, Ed, Fred and Steve. We have about six and a half minutes left on this Thursday, April 17th edition. Go ahead, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: I just was going to say God by his very nature, is relational.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Steve Jordahl: God the Father, God the Son, the Holy Spirit in great. And God, it is not good for man to be alone.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm going to make a great nation out of you. everything about God is relational.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, good point.
Joe Biden: President Trump spoke at Washington's Easter dinner last night
>> Steve Jordahl: here's something. Well, let's do this. last night in Washington, D.C. they had the annual, Easter dinner. The Federal, Easter dinner. Not Federal, but the Washington's Easter dinner. The president was there, and a lot of our.
>> Tim Wildmon: Every Easter.
>> Steve Jordahl: They do.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: A lot of our friends were there. Gary Bauer, I know, went. Robert Jeffress was on his way there.
>> Tim Wildmon: saw the picture them praying for President Trump.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, but that was, There was a picture that was published, a week or so ago. This was last night they were back. And I want you to let you hear. Maybe they did another picture last night. Could be. anyway, I'd like you to hear a little bit about, from Donald Trump. This is him speaking at the. He spoke for an hour at this event. And while somebody does read.
>> Tim Wildmon: Why so short?
>> Steve Jordahl: I know, right?
>> Tim Wildmon: He usually goes two.
>> Steve Jordahl: While some, while people do write his speeches for him, I don't think he, will say anything in a speech he doesn't believe. And this is what he said in this last speech. Cut 8.
>> Donald Trump: Nearly 2,000 years ago, during the sacred week, the living son of God entered Jerusalem in triumph. Soon after, the savior of mankind, who brought truth and light into the world, was betrayed, arrested and tried, beaten and nailed to a cross and crucified. For our sake, he gave up his life. And as the very great Reverend Billy Graham once said, God proved his love on the cross. When Christ hung and bled and died, it was God saying to the world, I love you. Three days later, Christ's followers found the empty tomb. Jesus had defeated darkness and death and promised new life to all of humankind. And that's what we celebrate each year at Easter, as we joyfully proclaim on Sunday he is risen. The death and resurrection of Jesus are the essence of the Christian faith.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, it's. Listen, I'm very glad to hear the President say, say those words. It's important to recognize Easter. The majority, at least of self identified religious people in this country are Christian. And it's, it's good for our. I like it when our nation honors the Lord.
>> Steve Jordahl: The White House put out a spectacular Easter, statement on, you know, honoring Easter, observing Easter, just full of this kind of stuff. And I was talking to Gary Bower yesterday and as is proper, and he, does not, discuss his individual private conversations with the President. So I posed the question like this. I know you can't tell me conversation you've had with the President, if he indeed is saved, has accepted Jesus or not. But let me ask it this way. Were you surprised at the gospel presentation in the White House? missing. No, no. He said that the bullet that he dodged fundamentally changed the man. Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Ah, we hope that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Dodge it. Well, yeah, it was a miraculous chain of events. Yes, I know you didn't mean that. It wasn't.
>> Steve Jordahl: You're absolutely right. You're absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: But I mean, okay, if he turned his head At a millisecond, less or more, he's dead. And we'd all have to watch that horrible, story unfold on, on international television.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And it would have torn our country apart.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but he, but he, but he turned his head at the.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know what I'm saying? To show. Anyway. Yeah, I know, I know you weren't saying that, but that's just.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, he credits God for that.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're saying that miracle that occurred that day touched, President Trump in a profound way.
>> Steve Jordahl: It refocused him. And he has credited God with that several times.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, he has.
>> Fred Jackson: And our hope is what he just read, he has taken personally.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Fred Jackson: because it's a personal relation to Jesus Christ. However, I want to add those words I do not believe would have been spoken by Joe Biden.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, no, I don't think so either.
>> Fred Jackson: They would find that offensive.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, no, they would. Because you'd be saying, well, so it. So it's exclusive, huh?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Huh?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Last year.
>> Tim Wildmon: Not diverse and equitable.
>> Steve Jordahl: Last year, Biden put out about a three paragraph, like, 50 word observation of Easter the same day. It was like a three page observation of Trans Visible Day, or whatever it was.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we thank you for listening to the program today. we will be live on Monday. We're going to celebrate with our families like you are, and our fellow church members. Easter as we remember, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll see you back here Monday.