Today's Issues continues on AFR with American Family Association president Steve Jordow
>> Steve Jordahl: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr, Tim, Tony, Fred. And now Steve Paisley Jordow joining us. Good morning, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.
>> Tony Vitagliano: A little more plaid today, I think.
>> Steve Jordahl: yeah, you got some plaid on.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, it's a polo. Is that a polo?
>> Steve Jordahl: It is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or is that a knockoff?
>> Steve Jordahl: No, it's a real thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that a real polo horse?
>> Steve Jordahl: Real polo horse? Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. All right. Do they make knockoff polo?
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm sure someone does. They make knockoff everything these days.
>> Tim Wildmon: I used to have a Marco shirt.
>> Steve Jordahl: Ah, yes, but then everybody would. They found. Would they call for you? Would they find.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, then everybody started buying polo, and you know what I'm saying? So I went with the crowd on that one. All right, Steve, what do you got?
Justice Department indicted Southern Poverty Law Center on 11 counts of funding racist groups
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. Hey, I want to start here with a public service announcement. There was a tragedy that happened yesterday. the, the Justice Department indicted, the Southern Poverty law Center on 11 counts of, of funding of racist organizations and everything. And, I just have to say there's a group out there that is going to suffer because of this. And I want you to hear from your local rac. Having a hard. A hard time right now.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Cut.
>> Steve Jordahl: 15.
>> Steven McLaughlin: Hi, I'm Steven McLaughlin with the Southern Poverty Law Center. Every day, hundreds of racists want to spread hate in their communities. But they are an increasingly marginalized group. Without funding, they are often unable to continue their important work, the work of being racist. This is local racist Randy. Randy hates black people.
>> Steve Jordahl: And the Indians.
>> Steven McLaughlin: And the Indians. But without your support, he runs the risk of not being able to be racist against anyone at all.
>> Steve Jordahl: With the price of lumber, I can't
>> Tim Wildmon: afford to build a cross to burn anymore.
>> Steve Jordahl: But I can with your help.
>> Steven McLaughlin: Remember, without the Southern Poverty Law center, racism might disappear forever. And that would be bad for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
>> Steve Jordahl: There you go.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who was that?
>> Steve Jordahl: That was a Babylon B. Thank you very much.
>> Tim Wildmon: Babylon B. Yeah, well, they're. They're, they're having fun with that one, but that's not too far from the truth.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, it is.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, at least what the. What the accusations are by the United States Justice Department.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: Against the Southern Poverty Law Center. they were. I think the, the criminal accusations are like wire fraud and things like that. But the, Southern Poverty Law center was charged with paying off the very people they said they stood against. with the idea that we need to create more racism so we can raise money to fight racism. How do we do that? Well, we fund the racist.
>> Steve Jordahl: Makes logical sense, I guess. Think about it.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's. But that's what they're, they're saying. No, we were just trying to.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, they're saying they're paying informants, things like that.
>> Tim Wildmon: A lot of money, though.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: $3 million. I think it was the total amount that they, they said went. Donor money and some tax dollars, by the way.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but that was pretty clever little comedy skit. Skit there.
>> Steve Jordahl: I thought so.
>> Tim Wildmon: Had the music from the background of the homeless dogs.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, that's right. That's. I picked up on that this time. The dog racist or something. Yeah, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So. All right. so he didn't have. Because of the. But he said because of the. Because of the high cost of lumber, he could not afford to build across the burn.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right.
>> Tony Vitagliano: That's because the KKK were known for that process.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, but with the inflation like it is.
>> Tony Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Put hate on a balance when the
>> Tony Vitagliano: SPLC just steps in.
>> Tim Wildmon: But the KKK out of business unless you make a donation.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Bailout. The big bailout. The splc. Anyways.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Steve, what's your next story?
Archaeologists in Turkey believe they have found the remains of Noah's Ark
>> Steve Jordahl: So, there's been some news in the, some news, that's kind of gone over the wires now about Noah's Ark.
>> Tim Wildmon: it's still out there.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's still there. There is an archaeological team somewhere in Turkey at what is known as the Dupinator.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, what?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, it's a site where they used
>> Tim Wildmon: to call me and class, I failed Doofinator.
>> Steve Jordahl: This. Yeah, this is a site where they believe they have found the remains of the, Noah's Ark. And what they've done. Now, I reported on this back in 2025, so this is. I don't know why it's making the rounds again, but what they have found, and I'm going to let you listen to one of the scientists, the archaeologist Andrew Jones. They have used ground penetrating radar and they have found in the structure that they believe to be Noah's Ark, things like corridors and tunnels, right where the Bible says they should be. It's amazing. Let's listen to cut. 13.
>> Jeremiah Johnston: Greetings from the mountains of Ararat, where the Bible says the ark landed. I'm about one mile from the Iranian border, and in this remote area, this boat formation was discovered in 1959. But our new research has shown that there are tunnels about 4 meters down and about 2 meters high going down the center of the boat and on the inside edge of the hull shape. And so we really believe that this layout showing tunnels and also possible support beams and walls would suggest that it's a man made object and not just a natural formation.
>> Tim Wildmon: Fred, what do you think about this?
>> Fred Jackson: Well, I always get excited when we get news from archaeologists like this and excited, but not surprised because, more often than not, and I would say 95% of the time when we get these stories, it confirms exactly what scripture has said. That's right. So, I'm delighted when I hear the stories, but not surprised because God's word is 100% accurate.
>> Tony Vitagliano: And the hope of secularists is that, well, the advancements of technology would continue to disprove the Bible. Right. And disprove the exist or disprove.
>> Steve Jordahl: Because it has.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, yeah, well, exactly. but what we're finding is the advancements in technology are allowing us to discover the truths of the Bible and as evidence, you know, physical evidence.
>> Tim Wildmon: So Noah's Ark, that's where Noah's
>> Steve Jordahl: Ark, the Bible says disintegrated.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's disintegrated, right?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, but it left a mound, a formation they call the Dupinar Formation. You can look it up and it looks kind of boat like, I guess it's some odd shapes in the terrain. And this is where the Bible says it landed on Mount Ararat. This formation.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that in Turkey?
>> Steve Jordahl: It is. This formation is very close to the Mount Ararat. It's in the hillsides around Mount Ararat, which would be considered Mount Ararat if you generally. And they are continuing to get technology now. They found that where it has disintegrated, but the soil that it has become has different properties than the soil that surrounds it. and it's consistent with what it would look like if wood had disintegrated and been back filled in with dirt or become dirt as it ah, disintegrated.
>> Tim Wildmon: So what about these tunnels though?
>> Steve Jordahl: So, you know, God gave some very specific instructions on how to build the ark. And there's certain levels and of course you have to get from one end of the boat to the other to feed the animals. There were living quarters, so there were rooms and everything. And what they're finding with this ground penetrating radar is that the tunnels are about, you know, they're exactly, they're finding where the corridors in the boat so that Noah and his family could walk one end of the ship to the other should be. So they're finding empty spaces in the ground. and they are consistent with the way that God wrote in, Genesis that Noah was to build the ark.
>> Tim Wildmon: How did Noah keep so much food on the ark, Fred? feed all these animals? how many animals were on there? Maybe I should ask Ken Ham this.
>> Fred Jackson: I think that's a better question for him. But I'm sure as part of the preparation, because remember how long it took to build this thing?
>> Tim Wildmon: How long?
>> Fred Jackson: Decades and decades to build this thing. And, it's part of the story. Remember it hadn't rained up till then.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: And I've always thought, here was this dear man, he's building the boat according to the instructions that he received from the Lord. and first of all, the first question would be, now Bill Cosby did something many years ago with this and it was kind of, lord, what do you want me to. You want me to build a boat? What's a boat? Okay. And he wasn't wrong in that comedy piece because there was no need for that kind of boat. And you can imagine the mocking that Noah received. You're doing what for what?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: And the thing is, this is why we shouldn't be discouraged when people laugh and mock at Christianity. Noah put up with that for years and years and years. And at the end of it, you know, I think he was faithful in witnessing. Here's what God has told me to do. I don't think he ever backed away from telling people that. But at the end of the day, it was just Noah and his family.
>> Fred Jackson: So Noah, was faithful.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right, yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Despite the mocking from the outside. And I think it's a great lesson for us. And we can tell our kids we have truth on our side. So what if the world does not believe that we continue to be faithful?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you can read about that in where in the Bible.
>> Steve Jordahl: Genesis.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know. What are the chapters? Anybody know?
>> Fred Jackson: Five and six, I think.
>> Tim Wildmon: What now?
>> Fred Jackson: it's around five, six, I think. The instruction and the story for Noah.
Today's Issues has a trip every year to the Ark Encounter
Yeah.
>> Tony Vitagliano: also encourage, if anybody, if you can go to the Ark encounter. Yeah, yeah, we're going.
>> Tim Wildmon: AFA is going.
>> Tony Vitagliano: We have a trip every year. We've been doing the last three years. Afa, at the ark is the
>> Tim Wildmon: trip that we've done another one for this year?
>> Tony Vitagliano: there is, but it's full already, so it fills up pretty fast.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ark's full.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, not the ark, the Spots for the trip. The conference. Yeah, spots for the trip. But it's incredible and, and all those details, those questions you have about how, you know, where would they have stored the food? I mean, you're, you literally get to walk through.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're full already. When is that?
>> Tony Vitagliano: it's in November or October. End of October.
>> Tim Wildmon: How many y' all hosting?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Like, we do better be an even number. About 200.
>> Tim Wildmon: And you're already full?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, it fills up quick now. okay, well, maybe he's planning it. She may be like, no, I don't know. That's. That's the last I.
>> Tim Wildmon: 2027.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, 2027.
>> Tim Wildmon: You do it again.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: What, what Tony's talking about is Tony and Walker and Wesley Wildmon and some others go up to, go up
>> Tony Vitagliano: to the Ark counter and the Creation
>> Tim Wildmon: Museum, which is right outside of Cincinnati in the. In Kentucky.
>> Tony Vitagliano: In Kentucky, that's right. And we spent a couple of days up there. Hit both. Hit both places and have a good time. Get to meet everybody and.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, a lot of fun and fellowship.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're listening to Today's Issues. That's the name of the show. Today's Issues. Tim, Tony, Fred and Steve. Go ahead, Steve.
Dr. Jeremiah Johnston has a new book about Jesus called The Jesus Discoveries
>> Steve Jordahl: Along the same lines, I'd like to preview a new book that's coming out. It's called the Jesus Discoveries, and it's by a guy named Dr. Johnston. Jeremiah Johnston. Jeremiah Johnston is a, pastor of apologetics at Prestonwood Bible Church in Texas. But he's written this book and basically he has found ten, extra biblical examples of, the historical Jesus. So how do we know that Jesus existed? Because there are examples in archeology and in history of him being mentioned outside of the Bible that he was a real person. And he has a, new book out where he has 10 historic finds, that represent Jesus outside the Bible. and they are the Shroud of Turin. there's ah, a Jesus cup, which you're going to hear about in a second. There's the James Ossuary, which they say is the bones of James, the brother of Jesus. the bone box where they found this inscribed on the box is James, brother of Jesus. He's m. Talking about, early skeptics. He's talking about, some papyrus, ah, there's the works of Josephus, who was a historian. There's the Dead Sea Scrolls. But, this cup is interesting. What you're going to hear him talk about is it's called the Healing Magic. Now, don't let the word magic take you away. Imagine you're in the first century. It's a time when medicine is. Hardly anything is known. Disease is rampant. A lot of people are dying, of incurable diseases which we wouldn't even know now. I mean, it's since been cured. But there is stories about a man named Jesus who was able to heal people. And so what happened was they found a cup, and he'll describe this in a second. And on it, it had, the inscription was the healing magic of Jesus. It was, a, folk artifact that someone who lived in the days immediately following Jesus that they wanted to do something they thought was a lucky cup. They put Jesus name in there because they remember hearing about a guy that healed people. So let's listen to. Let's listen to cut. 14. This is Jeremiah Johnston in the Jesus Discoveries.
>> Gino Geraci: It was such a joy to unlock very recent discoveries about Jesus that every single follower of Jesus Christ must be aware of, because they bring you closer to Jesus and they make you more intelligent talking about your faith. Jesus is made famous as a miracle worker and as a healer before his resurrection. If you study the fact that 25% of the Roman Empire was sick, dying, or in need of immediate medical attention on any given day, no wonder Jesus fame as a miracle worker and as a healer was so profound. We have discovered a cup just in 2008. This is very recent. A cup that was submerged in the ocean in Alexandria has been recovered. The cup is dated to 50 A.D. we're talking less than 20 years after the resurrection. And on the cup, it's now called the Jesus cup, famously, die Christu hoc o estes through Jesus the enchanter or the magician. In other words, Jesus's name was so powerful, it was being invoked by pagans around the Mediterranean world because they had heard this name. Jesus healed people and had power.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who was that we're hearing?
>> Steve Jordahl: Dr. James. Johnston. I'm sorry, Jeremiah. Jeremiah Johnston, who is, the author of this book called the Jesus Discoveries.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're going to have him on today's issues as a guest.
>> Steve Jordahl: We are. We're trying to,
>> Tim Wildmon: Because Ray Pritchard told me about this. Ah, what's the title of the book again?
>> Steve Jordahl: The Jesus Discoveries.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so we'll have, Dr. Johnston. Johnston on our show not too long from now. What do you think about that, Tony?
>> Tony Vitagliano: it's. I'm again, to quote Fred, it's amazing. I'm not, I'm not surprised, to hear about these discoveries. That continue to prove what we know to be true. and hopefully, you know, my hope would be that, books like these and these discoveries that come up will drive people to, to read God's word, right. The living word of God, and will come to know, God and his son, Jesus Christ. so I will say this. My wife's got me. She. She's always got my back. She messaged me and said that the. Actually, the AFA at the Ark event is not full. So, if you go to afa.net forward/events, it seems you can still register for that. So I was wrong.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's hard.
>> Tony Vitagliano: So my wife gets to hear that. Yeah, on the air. She gets to hear it at home all the time. But now she gets to hear that on the air. So.
>> Tim Wildmon: So if you want to join, AFA at the Ark coming up in November.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Correct. At the end of October.
>> Tim Wildmon: End of October. What do people need to do?
>> Tony Vitagliano: They need to go to, afa.netforward/events. And you will see there is a, a button there or a kind of a banner for AFA at the Ark.
>> Tim Wildmon: Give it one more time.
>> Tony Vitagliano: AFA.net forward/events.
Backslash and forward slash are different functions in programming
>> Tim Wildmon: Have you ever heard of a website saying backwards slash?
>> Tony Vitagliano: No, it's. Sorry, I won't nerd out on you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Have you ever heard that? I'm serious. I've never heard that before. Everybody always says forward slash.
>> Steve Jordahl: Different functions. A backslash and a forward slash. Different functions in programming.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yep, I knew that.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Steve, testing us.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know these things.
>> Steve Jordahl: I know that there was debate about which one was. Which was it, which was forward or which was back. But.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but a back. Back. What do you call. What would you call forward slash? So back backslash. I just never. People never say, yeah, backslash.net. i mean, that's usually put in a home right in the kitchen.
All right. Go ahead, Steve. Yes. All right, Brad
All right.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. All right, Steve. Brad, feel free to jump in if you got a story over there we need to get to. But Steve's got a docket over here, too.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes. no, Go ahead, Steve.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead, Steve.
An op ed in the New York Times says older Americans are hoarding wealth
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I want to highlight, an op ed that I came across from the NewSong York Times that is saying that older Americans are hoarding America's potential and need to share all of their resources with the younger Americans. This is a socialist. This guy that wrote this, his name is Samuel Moyn. He is a professor at Yale.
>> Tim Wildmon: His grandparent issues, evidently.
>> Steve Jordahl: Right. And, this is what he writes. He says older people should be required to get. Give more to Younger Americans and national priorities, meaning pay more taxes. It's critical to the future of our democracy. You see, older people are hoarding all of the wealth and the property they're not sharing and they're not distributing their wealth to younger Americans. And it's just not fair. And so he writes in the NewSong York Times, older Americans own much of the most desirable real estate in the countries, best cities and they're not moving. And so he has some solutions. He wants to make it easier for younger people to cast a ballot, by requiring routinely, see, since current retire requirements currently hurt younger voters that move around a lot. So he wants to lower the voting age. He wants to put policies in place that transfer jobs, houses and wealth down the generational chain to make it almost require that you give your home to your kids.
>> Fred Jackson: Is he related to, Mom, Donnie?
>> Steve Jordahl: He might be.
>> Fred Jackson: NewSong York.
>> Steve Jordahl: They certainly have the same cloth, that's for sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: Does he have a lot of followers or something? What's his name?
>> Steve Jordahl: His name is Samuel Moyes, professor of law and history at Yale and author of a new book called Gerund, Gerontracy in America. Gerontracy. G E R O N T O C R Geronto Geontrocracy.
>> Fred Jackson: How old, how old is he?
>> Tony Vitagliano: I don't know. That's what I'm about to do the quick math, Fred. I'd like to know that second. So I just looked up one. So he's 54.
>> Fred Jackson: Okay.
>> Tony Vitagliano: He may feel differently about it. these ideas give him another 10 years. Yeah, yeah, he'll, he'll write a follow up on why you know what? Why I think it's a good thing that you get to keep whatever, whatever you paid for.
>> Fred Jackson: Listen, when anybody advocates for this forced transfer of wealth.
>> Fred Jackson: They're communists.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Exactly.
>> Fred Jackson: That's what they are. And that's where this guy is. But you know what? What's sad is that there are jurisdictions that they may not be as frank as this guy is, but you look at what's happening in Canada with euthanasia, they are broadening the definition.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: You know, and we've done stories on this over the years that older people who are in hospital are being pressured. Hey, you know, your family's going to be burdened with a heavy medical bill. You've lived a good life. You know, we can quietly put you asleep and your family will not suffer financial loss. And if you think I'm kidding, read some stories on this.
>> Tony Vitagliano: It's wicked.
>> Fred Jackson: It is. It's Absolutely wicked.
>> Tony Vitagliano: They're not only is the left proving. We know we've known their anti life because of their stance on being so pro abortion, they're anti life in the womb. Why? It's not a surprise to me that they would also be anti life, you know, in. At the end of your life. No regard for life or God's, plan for people.
>> Tim Wildmon: I remember reading a story about a lady who. She went to some. Remember Dr. Kevorkian? Remember all that?
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: She went to either Dr. Kevorkian or one of his, proteges. She flew from like Michigan to California to get assisted suicide.
>> Tim Wildmon: And she had an assisted suicide. I didn't even know they were. I don't, I don't know. That's not getting much. I don't know if they're still doing that or whatever.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, and like, as Fred said, candidates.
>> Tim Wildmon: But anyway, so she thought she had a terrible disease and they did a, autopsy or something. I'd go back and dig this story up, but only to learn she didn't have the disease to the extent that she had been told that she had it. So she had basically had herself killed and she didn't have as she didn't have a disease like she thought she had been. It was terrible, terrible story.
Steve Martin: Tomorrow's Trivia Friday is scheduled for noon
All right, well, listen, thanks for joining us today on the program, Steve. Appreciate it.
>> Steve Jordahl: My pleasure.
>> Tim Wildmon: And thanks to Tony and Fred and Brent and Cole Greene, our video man, Brent Creeley, our producer Chris, Woodward and James Lambert was on with us m. Earlier today. So that everybody. I think that's everybody. And we thank you for joining us. Tomorrow's Trivia Friday, is it?
>> Tony Vitagliano: I'm here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, Tony's here filling in for his old man tomorrow. I think JJ the old man Jasper will be with us tomorrow too. So we'll see you back here then.
