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Today's Issues offers a Christian response to the issues of the day

Welcome to Today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And welcome to Today's Issues. That's the name of this here show. If you're listening for the first time, I want to welcome you and thank you. It is February 10, Tuesday. We are prepared to bring to you the news from a Christian perspective. And if you want to know who is we, joining me is Chris Woodward.

>> Chris Woodward: Chris, good morning.

>> Wesley Wildmon: All right. And Pastor Ray.

>> Tim Wildmon: Good morning, Wesley. How you doing today?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm doing super duper, probably at about 80% because. Super duper, comparatively speaking, because the last two or three days I've been dealing with a head cold of some kind. And I don't know what it is because I didn't go to the doctor. I waited it out, but I'm doing better.

>> Tim Wildmon: You got the crud?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I pretty much got the crud. You know what? I know exactly where I got it from.

>> Tim Wildmon: Where'd you get it?

>> Wesley Wildmon: The petri dish of, Chuck E. Cheese. Friday. Friday afternoon.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, brother. You can catch anything, right? You never know.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. The Chuck E. Cheese. Any of these places where It's. There's kids 24, 7, or a lot of kids all the time, you're likely to get some form of a head cold or, sickness. But, I did it anyway. It was worth the sacrifice. Two, three days, of sickness so that my kids could have a good time, and they had a good time. We did that over the weekend and. But I'm on the back half of it. I don't have no clue what kind of medicine my wife Chelsea gave me yesterday at night, but I woke up a different man.

>> Chris Woodward: Take this.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes, that's exactly. That's how it went.

>> Tim Wildmon: Don't even ask. Just take it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And I'm pretty sure as she was. I'm pretty sure as it was going down, she said, I. I think this is out of date. About, about. Yeah, about a year. And I was like, y', all, too. But it worked, whatever it was. Hey, Pastor Ray, thank you for being on with us. Thank You, Chris, here in just a little bit we're going to have Dr. Frank Tarek, who's the host of I Don't have Enough Faith to be an Atheist. Looking forward to having him on. but yeah, as I over, as I'm recovering from that, I know that that's where I got it from, I'm pretty sure.

Chris Wildman: There have been significant changes in the weather across Mississippi

But there is some pretty significant changes in the weather. I mean it was just a week and a half ago, Chris, that we had a ice storm 10 days ago.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, I mean it's.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And it's 75 degrees here in Tupelo.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: And for people not familiar with Mississippi, if you've yet to have your dream vacation to the Magnolia State, this is not abnormal for us. We do have like cold, extreme cold and then we have really warm. Usually there's a tornado in there somewhere, maybe another ice storm. so it will you know, weather whiplash pretty much. We're at that period in the year where you need to dress for about three seasons just for one day of work.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So you, you come in with the coat and you leave and you say you wear. for example, today I did exactly what you just suggested. I came in with a coat, but underneath they had a collared polo.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Short sleeve. I do that and now I'm in my collar, short sleeve, polo. What it, where, what's it look, looking like there where you are?

>> Tim Wildmon: It has been Chile here in central Florida. That was about. Okay. The storm that came through Mississippi, we got the tail end of it down here in Florida. So it was nothing like what happened in northern Mississippi. But we got it now today. Oh, it's, I'm looking outside guys. It's bright, sunny blue skies here in central Florida. I think we're going to be up around 70 degrees. So yeah, not too bad for February.

>> Chris Woodward: I do have some good news report from our storm issues here in Mississippi. just in Mississippi alone, like last week we had tens of thousands of people without power. Praise God. We're down to about 8,000 people today in Mississippi. God bless the linemen out there and their families that have not seen them in a couple of weeks.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, there's been a lot of hard working men and women who have gone through, specifically talking about Mississippi. I'm sure this is the case in other states where, where they have worked night and day, 12, 14 hour days. now the weather's looking better now, but there were, there was a week there where they were working and it was in the 20s, throughout the day. So thank you for all those that have worked hard to get our power back going in Mississippi. Now, my dad, Tim Wildmon will be joining us here, later on in the program. He is out right now, but he'll be joining us. Just wanted to add that in there.

Congressman Andy Ogles calls for inquiry into Bad Bunny's halftime show

so, Chris, what do we have? what's the first story do we have? We have. Do we have time to get to a story before we have, the Franco.

>> Chris Woodward: We do. I can mention this one briefly here. there is a congressman by the name of Andy Ogles. He's a Republican for, from Tennessee. And he has called for a formal congressional inquiry into, Bad Bunny's super bowl halftime performance. Representative Ogles is accusing the show of featuring, quote, quote, explicit and indecent content. If you go back and translate what Bad Bunny had to say in Spanish, there were some words in there that Congressman, Ogles do not think or does not think should be used on the airwaves. he also didn't like some of the suggestive, imagery and stuff like that during the halftime show. So even though the game may have been played, we know who the winner is. People are still talking about Bad Bunny's halftime show. And, this congressman wants the FCC to look into things and really, consider holding the NFL and NBC, which broadcast the super bowl, hold them accountable.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, Ray. I mean, I didn't think about that at the time. And the reason is because I couldn't understand what he was saying.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right. It was all in Spanish.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: But now, after the fact, now that we have this translated, I mean, I know this and I know that decency, by and large, has been lost, in our culture, especially in the form of entertainment. And unfortunately, you know, 10 or 15 years ago, what you, what you, you would expect a P, G or PG version halftime show for. Because there's families around and that was a consideration. Unfortunately, we've lost a lot of that. But by technicality, Ray, or by the rules, I mean, they were broken. So what else?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, yeah, they were broken. Now, Wesley, I don't think this is really going to go anywhere because, yeah, once you start down this road, you'd almost have to back date it to get. Oh, most of the performers of the last 20 years.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know. Was. First of all, first, of all, I don't speak Spanish, so I can only look at the translation. And some of it is truly. Some of it is truly appalling. Yeah, okay, so, so I'll, I'll state that right up front. But was, was Bad Bunny, was he objectively worse than Kendrick Lamar and these other people they've had over the past 10 or 15 years? I'm not sure, Wesley. Maybe that didn't really say anything good about me. Maybe it's true that we've all become coarsened to some degree in our culture. Reminds me of what Dr. Billy Graham used to say, that the problem in America, he said, is that today we've become so coarsened that that we routinely laugh at things that used to make us blush 50 years ago. I imagine probably I might say it this way. Our problem with Bad Bunny is we hear it, we don't understand it, and even we read the words, we're not really surprised about it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't see how this goes anywhere.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't see how it goes anywhere.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I don't either. For me actually I had. Even now knowing the lyrics, that's a problem. But the bigger problem I had was them inviting. I'm not surprised and I kind of, I'm not surprised that inviting someone who is controversial that may use split, you know, explicit stuff because they've been doing like, as you've pointed out, they've been doing that for a couple years. The, the problem I have is his anti American views and his anti ice fuse and his anti So you know, those, those issues were far more concerning to allow him to. Which to be. To perform at a, an American sporting event. So that, that, that was as much frustrating.

Chris: Don't have anybody perform at the halftime show and do something different

Chris, you got anything else on that before we go to Frank?

>> Chris Woodward: Well, I mean I'm getting to the point where I mean I've covered criticisms of super bowl halftime shows for a long time. Now I am getting to the point of just don't have anybody perform at the halftime show and do something different. Pluck five, six people out of the stands and have them compete in like a punt, pass, kick something. And if they win they get to sit in Roger Goodell's sweet something. I mean like really Wonka golden ticket type experience, for some lucky fan that would be entertaining or do a 10 minute pre polished package highlighting, you know, this year's Walter Payton award recipient, the person does good in the community and stuff like that. Something feel good. Nobody's going to complain, complain about.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It would be cool to see some mini games on the field with some fans from the stadium competing and having a little fun there. You know, you say like at the Basketball games, you see them shoot the half court shots and then sure, yeah, that kind of.

>> Chris Woodward: There's some out of shape 45 year old guy with a dad bod.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Chris Woodward: Who's reliving the glory days from his 10th year sophomore rivalry game. Football. That's going to go out there and try to show out.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, that, Come on, that would be fun. I like to see that.

Frank Turk: One of the things about sports that people like is it's not political

Well, all right. Well, going to our first guest for today, Dr. Frank Turk. Dr. Frank Turk is the host of I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist heard Saturdays at 9:00am Central Time and again on Sunday at 4:00pm Central Time on American Family Radio. Dr. Frankie, thank you for joining us. And what in the world would you like to see for a halftime show for next year's, NFL, Super Bowl?

>> Frank Turek: Actually I'm not as concerned with the halftime show as I am for a more entertaining game.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes. Amen.

>> Frank Turek: I mean yeah, defense wins championships, but sometimes defense is boring and we all admit that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, you know, you're right, you're right, I get it. But I'm a real big sports fan and so I do, I do have a great appreciation for the, for the finer details and, and knowing what it takes to win and a defense is a big deal. But to your point, the majority of people that are watching or watching for the big plays on offense and a high scoring game, which is honestly that's what a lot of the college football in the west coast went to, high scoring games and a lot of turnovers. But anyways, well, Frank, so you, so you don't have a preference if you, so if you got to sit down with Roger Goodell and you got to say here, here's what we're going to do for next year. and you don't care what other people think? You don't have an opinion?

>> Frank Turek: Well, I certainly don't like what they're doing recently. Anti American nonsense. And somebody said that on the Internet that that show made support for ice go up 20 points because it was like a foreign show and I didn't watch the thing. I just heard about it. I was over at the tpusa show.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh, they did great there. They had over 10 million views.

>> Frank Turek: Yeah, yeah. Perhaps even more than that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Frank Turek: I think that and just people. First of all, one of the things about sports that people like is it's not political.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Thank you. Yes.

>> Frank Turek: You know, it's just, it's just. Can we, can we come together for three hours as a nation and just enjoy competition.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Frank Turek: without having to make all these political. It's like the Grammys. Why are the Grammys political?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.

>> Frank Turek: You know, and what was said there was completely inane from a woman who's living in a multimillion dollar home on stolen land. First of all, for land to be stolen, there has to be borders. Otherwise you wouldn't know whether the land was stolen or not. And, we have borders. And every nation has borders and every home has borders. It's called a lock. And we believe in all that not because we hate people on the outside, it's because we love people on the inside. And it's. The reason you can have a civilization is when you can protect your property, your private property, and you can have a community. And you won't have a community, a common unity, unless you have shared values. And you're not going to have shared values if a bunch of jihadis come into this country and want to implement Sharia law on the nation. That's not shared values. That's a contradiction to the United States Constitution. And yet some people actually think, well, that's okay, everything's going to turn out fine. No, look at 1400 years of history. You're not going to find the kind of freedoms we have in America in say Saudi Arabia or Iran or China or, Iraq or, I mean, name countries that either are communist or Muslim. You're not gonna find the kind of freedoms we have here. So why do we think it's. You can just let everybody in and there's not gonna be a problem? There's going to be a problem. History shows that. Common sense shows that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, if you look back over the last 20 years, almost everything that used to be non political or have a political bent is they're being forced to be political. And it started with the LGBTQ movement and you had to wear a rainbow. If you didn't have a rainbow, then you, then you were anti and therefore, as opposed to just playing baseball. And then of course during the George Floyd movement, it was a defund the police and they would. Wearing the pigs on the helmets and things like that. Take taking the knee and all that. I would, it would be a dream in the coming years to get sports and just corporate, the corporate world to just go back to making good products, putting out good sports and get in because being able to go to a sporting event to take your mind off politics and not know what side of the aisle the person to your left on, but just cheering on for your team. Yeah, I remember those days.

>> Chris Woodward: I would pay extra money if I could get a streaming service platform option where there's no announcers in a game. It's just the camera and the game.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

Ray: Everybody should have an annual physical, right, Ray

Well, all right, well, we got, Tim has joined us here. He's our special guest for today. Yeah, that's what happens. There's, you know.

>> Tim Wildmon: Good morning, everybody.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Who was before Tom Brady.

>> Tim Wildmon: Who was before Tom Brady, the quarterback.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right. He got it. He didn't show up for work one day.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, well, he got hurt, and he never got his job. I'm kidding.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm kidding.

>> Tim Wildmon: That can happen.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm not taking. I'm not taking.

>> Tim Wildmon: That was it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That was the analogy I was going with.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, anyway, it is.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We got to get to the topic.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. so, Ray, how you doing, brother?

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, I'm doing good, Tim. How you getting on?

>> Tim Wildmon: I know. Well, I went to the doctor. That's why I'm late.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, you got a doctor's excuse?

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, yeah. Here, here. You don't see it. Got a written doctor's.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Written doctor's.

>> Tim Wildmon: Frank, how you doing, brother?

>> Frank Turek: I'm good, man. But Allison told me she doesn't take you to the doctor anymore. You're so old. She takes you to the archaeologist.

>> Tim Wildmon: But I. Boom.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, J.J. jasper, tomorrow morning had.

>> Tim Wildmon: I had an annual physical, so, you know, we all. Everybody should have an annual physical, right, Ray?

>> Tim Wildmon: Everything work out okay?

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, doctor told me everything's good. The bloods. I have blood and, got blood. He did say it's really important that you tell your wife, that you need to golf more, and it helps your stress level come m. Down.

>> Tim Wildmon: Doctor's orders.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So I'm,

>> Frank Turek: The way you go.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, let's see. Yeah, the way I golf, stress goes up.

>> Frank Turek: My doctor told me to work. If I worked out for six weeks in a row, I could add 15 years to my life. And he's right. I worked out for. For six weeks in a row, and I already feel 15 years older.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to the radio program Today's issues on American Family Radio. Thanks to we for taking over the captain ship here while I was out for a few minutes. Chris Woodward. Good morning, Chris.

>> Chris Woodward: Good morning.

There are two major views on the nature of hell among evangelicals

>> Tim Wildmon: so, all right. I wasn't going to ask you about this, Frank. It's dangerous territory, I guess, in some respects. But I got to ask you, Wesley, you listen to your two hour podcast?

>> Wesley Wildmon: His was one hour. Kirk Camers was two hours.

>> Tim Wildmon: A total of three okay, so you listen to that. So you interviewed Kirk Cameron?

>> Frank Turek: I did. Just, this week.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. And the topic was the, About hell. And what was it? What was the topic?

>> Frank Turek: The nature of hell. You know, there's. There's two major views in. Among evangelicals. You know, the traditional eternal conscious torment view, and another view that even some early church fathers may have adopted called the conditionalist view, where there's a period of suffering, the period of punishment, and then you're annihilated, so you're. You're no more. Those are the two major views.

>> Tim Wildmon: So why did you, When I saw Kirk make those comments, and I like Kirk very much, he's a good friend of mine. but I wonder, why are you even talking about this? Because there's so many. So many issues and topics to talk about. why you want to dive into that one and, you know, split up your listenership, so to speak, on their views on this. did you ask him about. Yeah, he did.

>> Frank Turek: Yeah. Well, he said it arose from a question that his son had. I guess once a week he does a Q and A with his son, who brings up any topic he wants to bring up. And so that's why he began to talk about it. You know, it is a topic that's been discussed of late. There have been some rather prominent, evangelical scholars that have believed in the conditionalist view in past hundred years, people like F.F. bruce and, John Stott. So there's a few. but still, the main view is the eternal conscious torment view. And my point to Kirk, was if you think that somehow the eternal conscious torment view is somehow unloving or unjust, I don't think you understand it. And secondly, I don't think you understand that God can be just and will be just because he's infinitely just. And nobody in heaven or hell is going to be treated unfairly. If you go to hell, you're going to get the precise level of punishment you deserve because God is perfectly just. If you go to heaven, you're getting grace. You don't deserve that. Christ has earned that for you. But those are the only two things you can get in the afterlife. You can either get grace or you can get justice. And I always ask people, you know, do you want justice from an infinitely just being? I don't. If I got justice, I'd be toast. So the reason Christ came was to save us from the justice we deserve, and he gives us grace. And whether that's eternal conscious torment when it comes to justice or Annihilationism after a period of punishment, whatever it is, it's going to be just. I personally think the eternal conscious torment view is the correct view. I think Scripture supports that. Although some try and make a case that the, annihilationist view is the correct view and there are verses you could read that way. But I think overall the eternal conscious torment view is true.

>> Tim Wildmon: Ray, have you ever dived into this one?

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, I've done some thinking about it and, Frank, I wanted to ask you, as far as Kirk is concerned, do you think he has, quote, abandoned eternal conscious torment, or is this a case of a man just merely in answering the question of his son? Is he just investigating the other possibilities?

>> Frank Turek: He says he's leaning in that direction now. The annihilationist view. And there is a website, Rethinking Hell, that Chris Date, is, the, I guess, host, of that website. He was one of the four scholars on with Kirk, when they did that two and a half hour, discussion on Hell. And my discussion with Kirk came after that. So m. I mean, to be fair, you can make an argument. I don't, I don't think it works though. But you can make. It's not, it's not like totally out of the blue, like, wow, there's no way you could interpret the scriptures this way. You could make an argument the annihilationist view or the conditionalist view is plausible. I just don't think it works. I think there are too many. There are too many, verses that you can't really get around and say, oh, no, like Revelation 14 or, Revelation, 20 or Matthew 25, where God uses. Jesus uses the same word eternal for punishment as he does for eternal life.

>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead, Wesley.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Hey.

Well, I'll just add this and then to help us transition to another topic

Well, I'll just add this and then to help us transition to another topic.

>> Tim Wildmon: I have another question. Okay. No, but. Well, are you transitioning now?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes. So you go ahead if you got a question on this topic.

>> Tim Wildmon: I do.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You go ahead.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So my question, and I, I didn't listen. I, I saw some and read some of the, between Kirk and his son. But that's what triggered all this, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.

What about the people who never hear the gospel? What happens to them

>> Tim Wildmon: So the question that I've always had that I'm not the first to have it because millions have had it, and Ray, Frank, you can be first here is what about the people who never hear the gospel? What happens to them?

>> Frank Turek: Yeah, well, again, God is going to be just. Regardless of whether or not we can figure that out, I think that, nobody comes To Christ or nobody comes to God without Christ. Whether you have to know the name of Christ is another question. Obviously, in the Old Testament, they didn't and they were saved. They put their faith in Yahweh. The NewSong Testament appears to say, you do need to know the name of Christ. And Paul points out in Acts 17 that God has essentially created people where they need to be so that people would find God, and worship him if they want to. and it could be. I mean, we all know people that hear the gospel and don't believe it, right? I mean, they're everywhere. It could be that those that never hear the gospel wouldn't have believed it even if they had heard it. And that's what, could be the case from Acts 17. Ray, do you want to jump in on that?

>> Tim Wildmon: Look, let me just, reemphasize, Frank, what you started with. Nobody's going to be in hell by mistake. It's not like going to computer files and what, he's down there. He's supposed to be up here in heaven. No, everybody who ends up in hell is part. They're there because that's where they belong. They don't belong in heaven at all. Nobody goes to heaven by mistake, only by the grace of God. Nobody goes to hell by mistake. And I find Frank great comfort in that thought. That God is just reminds me in that argument that Abraham has with the Lord, will you save Sodom and Gomorrah? Shall not the judge of all the earth do? Right. If we believe that there. Some of these questions we're not going to figure out completely until we stand before the Lord.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

What Frank did with Kirk Kramer in his interview was a phenomenal example

Well, all right. take our break right here.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, let me say this.

>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: What Frank did with Kirk Kramer in his interview was a phenomenal example of how to have a discussion on something you may disagree with. And I think it's worth listening just for that along, not in addition to the topic. The topic was good, but the way that you handle another brother in Christ you may disagree with was. Was a good. They did. It was good. Frank, you were a great example there.

>> Frank Turek: Thanks. Hey, let me mention one thing. I'll be at Elon University today.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, hold on. Can you hold on to the break instead of wrecking this? Because, this podcast where you talk to Kirk Cameron is available on our website, right, Wesley?

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right. Afr.net so we get credit for it. That's right. So we put in the work credit.

>> Tim Wildmon: For the podcast downloads.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right, yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so where do they go go.

>> Wesley Wildmon: To afr.net afr.net or go to crossexamine.org and we got to mention something else that Frank's doing after the break.

>> Tim Wildmon: So you go to afr.net click on podcast and click on Frank's. Frank, hold on.

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American Family Radio's college campus tour 2026 begins tonight at Elon University

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim, Wesley, Chris, and Ray. And, we're going to wrap up our conversation now with Dr. Frank Turek. you can hear his conversation with Kirk Cameron, on the topic of hell on our website, afr.net afr.net Click on the podcast with Dr. Frank Turek. the I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist podcast. And you can check it out there. your college campus tour 2026 begins when?

>> Frank Turek: Yeah, it begins tonight at Elon University here in North Carolina. Then we have NC State the next night, Wednesday night, and then Thursday night we're down at Northern Florida University or University of Northern Florida or North Florida. It's in Jacksonville. And, some of those are sold out. But it'll be broadcast on our YouTube channel, the Cross Examined. YouTube channel. Examined. Ah, so people can see it there. And a lot of time for Q A so anyone can show up.

>> Tim Wildmon: We'll, ask a question. Will Elon be there?

>> Frank Turek: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, that's not his school. My Bad?

>> Wesley Wildmon: No, it's before. It was before him.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay?

>> Wesley Wildmon: That school was before him.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I thought maybe you were going to do it, Go to the moon or something. Do it there.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Hey, those that are listening, y' all pray for Frank, Turek and all those that like, him that travel across the country and, debating on college campuses. Pray for them. Pray for all of them.

>> Tim Wildmon: Way to get out there and mix it up with, people and share the gospel of Christ with, as many people as you can. And Frank uses his, you know, the I don't have enough faith to be an atheist platform there to, discuss with, kids, young people, whether or not there is a God. Start there and then move forward. All right, Frank, take care. Safe travels, and we will talk, to you next week, hopefully.

>> Frank Turek: Thanks, brother. See you.

>> Tim Wildmon: See you. All right. That's Dr. Frank Turee. T U R E K. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Ray, give us, I usually ask you this, not always, but give us a good word from the scripture this morning. Then we want to move on to these topics we got to discuss.

Keep believing is what my friend Dave Hoy believed before he died from cancer

>> Tim Wildmon: The Bible says in Philippians 4:19, but our God will supply all your need according his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. When we, when we hear that verse, we usually apply it to the question of giving that, if we are generous in God's service, he will, God's going to be no man's debtor. He's going to take care of us in every way. I got to tell you, Tim, and just a little, Little snippet of life here for our ministry, Keep believing. And you're on the board of reference of our ministry. We've been around 20 years, and we've had the same man, Dave Hoy, on the. He's been the chairman of our ministry, Keep Believing for the whole 20 years. In fact, for 10 years before that, he was the chairman of the elder board where I pastored Calvary Memorial church. So for 30 years, Dave was always the chairman of the elders or chairman of the board. About 10 years ago, he came down with kidney cancer. Fought the great good fight of faith, persevered to the very end, lived a lot longer than the doctors expected. They. Maybe five years. They said six. He got 10 and died just, early in. Early in January. And because Dave was such a dear friend, Marlene and I flew up to Chicago to do his funeral service. And, the night before Dave's funeral, his wife Lynette, at my request, loaned me his personal Bible. And I just want to say, for years I've been preaching from, you know, iPads, like a lot of guys do nowadays. But there is something beautiful, Tim, about reading the Bible of a brother or sister who is now in heaven, particularly someone who liked to write in the margins because they leave a legacy there. So the night before Dave's funeral service, I was looking through one of his Bibles. It was from probably 45 years ago. And Dave loved to make Bible study notes. I started in Genesis and I turn him through there. And most of it was like, Abraham was such and such an age, or Moses, the man of faith. It was just maybe Bible study notes, but he covered the Bible with it. So I got into the NewSong Testament m Gospels and Acts and a lot of notes. And finally I discovered. I discovered the night before his funeral that maybe Philippians was his favorite book in the whole Bible because he had written so many notes about the book of Philippians.

>> Tim Wildmon: I,

>> Tim Wildmon: And I was looking for something I could use in his funeral message. So it's late on that night, and I come to Philippians 4, and there's the verse, for our God will. My God will supply all your needs according to his riches and glory in Christ Jesus. And in this one case, in great big letters, he had written this sentence, and it said, what we need will not always be what we want. Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. My friends, you go a long way and you will not find a deeper, more powerful statement of the sovereignty of God. What we truly need may not be exactly what we want. And I'll say this. Dave didn't want cancer. He fought against it and fought the good fight all the way through. But in the end, cancer was the vehicle that God used to take my dear friend all the way home from earth to heaven. God knows what he's doing, friends. What we need and what we want are often not the same thing. Take heart. All is well. God is good. He will give us what we need, even if it isn't exactly what we want. Because he is committed to making us like his son, the Lord Jesus Christ. That's what my friend Dave Hoy believed, because that's what the Bible teaches. All is well, friends. God is good. Even in the hardest moments, we can trust Him.

>> Tim Wildmon: So what you're saying is keep believing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Keep believing. That's right. Thank you. Thank you. That's a short version of that long story.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. What you're saying is keep believing. That's Ray's ministry, folks. If you don't know it's Keep Believing, you can visit him@keep believing.com. tim, Wesley, Chris and Ray.

Democrats say the SAVE act is wrong, it's racist

All right, Chris, what's our first news story?

>> Chris Woodward: All right, so there has been, debate for days, if not weeks now over federal legislation, proposal called the SAVE Act. And this would require people to do a couple of things. Number one, prove they're a citizen in order to be able to vote, but more importantly, get and show an ID in order to vote. Democrats, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, say the SAVE act is wrong, it's racist. Because to hear Chuck Schumer say it, minorities can't get or they don't know how to get an id, which I'll get to in a moment. But I bring all this up because, there's a Republican congressman from Wisconsin, his name is Brian Stile, and Congressman Stile is now saying, you know what? Let's just do something where everybody gets a free government ID in order to vote. He says if he says, quote, if there's an individual who doesn't have an ID, there 100% needs to be a mechanism for that person to get an ID without a charge. Some states have already done this, Tim. for example, Florida, Georgia, even some of the places that have done election reform since 2020 have put language in place to where somebody would get an id. But I can't speak to every state that's gone down that road.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well. Well, look at it. If you're not for providing a photo ID of your citizenship in order to vote, then you're for cheating. I don't know how else. I don't know. There's no really other way to say it. Everybody can get a government, issued id. And I agree with the congressman. They're saying that if you say, well, I can't afford it, then we'll give it to you for free. Because our republic is that important. We should not have a situation where people get to vote and they don't have to identify themselves because you have to have an ID to drive. You have to have a driver's license. Nobody says if you don't get a driver's license, you're a racist. I mean, that's. This is how insane this argument is.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: And then you, So you gotta have a license. You gotta have an ID to get a library ticket.

>> Wesley Wildmon: They write you a ticket if you don't have a driver's license.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And they're to pay it.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. And you got to have an ID to get on an airplane, you got to have an ID to do a lot of things in this country. And and there's nothing, there's nothing racist. This is completely silly about Jim. I mean, Chuck Schumer, the Democrat leader in the Senate, called the SAVE act, which is this federal legislation that's been.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Passed in the American voter eligibility.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, that's what the name, that's the full name of it. But it basically says we're gonna, you need to provide, an ID in order to vote in federal elections.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, he called it Jim Crow too.

>> Chris Woodward: That's their thing.

>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, just, you just want to just throw. I want to slap him.

>> Chris Woodward: And you know, even some black people over there, even some members of the African American community or black community don't agree with, Democrats making these kinds of claims. They think it's hurtful or wrong for them to insist that black people don't know how to get an id. Case in point, Steve has spliced together a couple of things here in about a minute long video. it's going to begin with Chuck Schumer, and then it's going to end with a black woman who takes offense to Schumer, and others making these frequent claims. Clip 5.

>> Tim Wildmon: The save act is nothing more than Jim Crow 2.0.

>> Wesley Wildmon: If you're one of tens of millions.

>> Tim Wildmon: Of Americans who does not have access to your birth certificate, or if you're One of the 50% of Americans who don't have a passport, the SAVE act could make it impossible for you to participate in elections.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, why did I wake up to so much controversy about voter id? Still, we still got the left out here being just as racist as the day is long. Talking about black people.

>> Chris Woodward: We don't know where to deal.

>> Tim Wildmon: DMV is, How did you spell dmv? Stop it, Stop it. Lefties, liberals, Democrats, stop using us, as your poster child for all things to get votes. Why are you saying that? We do not need voter ID laws because of the black people. Quit putting it on us. Y' all want votes in the most illegal of ways. That's all it is. But you want to keep using us as your poster children to get them, and I suggest you stop.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, Mike, drop what she said.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. You know what's interesting? Do you know another place that you needed to show ID to enter in recent years was none other than the Democratic National Convention. Get into that. But it's wrong to do that to a voter.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. It's just what, okay, what people like Chuck Schumer want, they want people to vote willy nilly and without ID because that means more people will vote for Democrats and they'll steal more elections.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Can I say it any more plainly than that?

>> Chris Woodward: Hate never dies because a politician won't let it. And this is proof.

>> Tim Wildmon: Boom.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. Yeah. Anyway, so. But the situation is this, folks. The SAVE act, which we're talking about here, passed in the House of Representatives barely I think because of Republicans have a very narrow margin and now it's in the Senate. And the Senate is, is, they have the filibuster, which, I don't go into all the details of that, but you have to, you have to have over 60 votes to be able to overcome that. And right now, the Republicans don't have that many votes lined up. But it's just, it's just that there are even some Democrats, some, not all. There are even some Democrats who advocate for, non citizens to be able to vote in elections. Have you seen this movement, these far lefties, listen, the liberals are bad enough with their politics, but these far lefties, they're on another planet.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, they think, yeah, felons.

>> Tim Wildmon: They're the people who say stolen land. We're on stolen land. Why? While they live in million dollar mansion, multi million dollar mansions on this, they're gated and they have private security while they live on stolen land.

AFA has an action alert on the SAVE Act

It's just complete and total hypocrisy.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yep.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to today's issues. We will keep you posted on the SAVE Act. We have.

>> Wesley Wildmon: We need to tell people though, people, we have an action alert on this. We have an action alert on this. Go to afa.net afa.net we have taken the time our staff here at AFA writing up a short email that can be sent to your elected Official. Go to afa.net Click the tab, activism and there you can send an email that's already pre typed up, obviously if you agree with it, which if you go on there, you will. You want to go there, type in your email and you can send it, but it's two clicks and you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Can m. It's very easy to do.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Very easy to do. That's our action alert on this issue. If you want to support the SAVE act, that is an act.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's a, it's an email action alert that Wesley's talking about and how come the people go and participate.

>> Wesley Wildmon: AFA.net hit the tab Activism there you can hit forward and send it over to your representatives, the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, SAVE act and make a.

>> Tim Wildmon: Difference on this issue.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: At least try. All right, you're listening to today's issues on afr. Tim, Wesley, Chris and Ray.

House Ways and Means Committee to hold hearing on suspected foreign influence

Next topic.

>> Chris Woodward: All right, the House Ways and Means Committee is holding hearing today to look into claims that foreign actors may be secretly influencing US Nonprofit organizations.

>> Tim Wildmon: British actors, foreign. How do they. Oh, you talking about like people.

>> Chris Woodward: Correct.

>> Tim Wildmon: Talking about like Academy Award type things.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right, right.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm sorry, Start over again.

>> Chris Woodward: Okay. The House Ways and Means Committee is holding a hearing today to look into claims that foreign actors may be secretly influencing U.S. nonprofits. there's a report out there alleging for example that the group Democratic Socialists of America has foreign ties and they're working to undermine federal authorities under the guise of protests, saying they found the DSA's rhetoric matches the anti US propaganda of foreign adversaries. Somebody that was on television this morning talking about this is a lady that we've had on this show several times. she Vanliere Fleet, our friend from the Mid Atlantic states. she is a survivor of Mao's revolution. And she said foreign adversaries, namely China are behind the push towards socialism in the US Clip 1 yes, absolutely.

>> Speaker I: You see it everywhere. And the recent thing is what's trending is called China medicine. Even though it's basically you see it on the TikTok, but I also see it on X. And that is absolutely bears the hallmark of CCP's publicity department and United Front Work Department operations. The first one is about propaganda. The second one is about influence. And influence work is something that CCP is expert of. They will capture the elite. In this case they capture a lot of the influencers in social media, especially in TikTok. And most of the people who are influenced, have no capture, have no idea that they are the target. And some, of course they do because they get paid handsome.

>> Chris Woodward: So basically she was saying that China is a foreign actor, meaning they're doing things from abroad to try to influence.

>> Tim Wildmon: Our politics by causing strife and division and funding organizations that promote communism basically is what you're saying. Correct. Okay,

Don't Tread on Parents Day is in response to anti parental rights bills

All right, go ahead. Next story.

>> Chris Woodward: Okay, there today is Don't Tread on Parents Day. It is Virginia. Yes.

>> Tim Wildmon: Don't you being treaded on?

>> Chris Woodward: No. Well, I know because I don't live in Virginia, but I'm going somewhere with this.

>> Wesley Wildmon: So who's, who's doing this in the story Prep time?

>> Chris Woodward: it's called Don't Tread on Parents Day. the idea comes from our friends at the Family foundation of Virginia, Victoria Cobbs group, and it's in response to anti parental rights bills that are in the legislature there in Richmond. someone I spoke to about Don't Tread on Parents Day is Candy Cushman, one of the higher ups at Family foundation of Virginia. she gave me a couple of examples here. there's a bill proposed that directly attacks private and faith based schools. It basically attempted to regulate them out of existence by saying that if certain students have scholarships at these schools, then all of a sudden the schools have to follow public school standards of learning. Then they have to follow all these gobbledygook, non discrimination, sogi sexual orientation, gender identity stuff. They're basically trying to make private and religious schools do the same thing as a public school, which is something a number of parents don't want because that's why they have their kid going to a private school or a, religious school. There's also stuff that really cracks down on school boards, frowning on books in libraries, things like genderqueer and other books, that have popped up there. So in response to this, Don't Tread on Parents Day is something that the Family foundation is doing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Virginia.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes, the Family foundation of Virginia is doing to bring out, parents and students that are impacted by these bills to show lawmakers what you're doing is wrong. Now in this soundbite that I've got from Candy Cushman at the Family foundation of Virginia, she said, parents in other states, you need to pay attention because what is going to happen in Richmond is going to end up in your state legislature. It's a matter of time.

>> Caroline: Clip 3 I worked for many years on education policy and people would assume because I'm in a rural district or I'm out here, it's not going to impact me. And sadly a lot of times they don't get involved until it's their child, till their family's feeling they're hurt with that. But you don't want to wait till that moment, watch what's happening in your legislative session and speak up to your legislative officials that your elected officials, your voice does matter and it does have an impact.

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, they have, they had a new, the election went all Democrats in Virginia and they're having whiplash there between the previous administration, Youngkin. Yeah. And now Spamberger.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. And it's not because people didn't like Youngkin and his politics. He is bound by language and law there that doesn't allow a governor, any governor to run for consecutive terms.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Oh.

>> Chris Woodward: So Spanberger is going to have to step.

>> Tim Wildmon: You only get one term in Virginia. to be governor or are the other statewide electricity.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Offices.

>> Chris Woodward: He can run again at some point in the future, but most don't.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Are you gonna ask?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I just That's interesting that you can only Sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know anywhere else where that Maybe there are other state. Ray, you familiar with this at all or there others.

>> Tim Wildmon: This is the only state I know where you could. We can only serve for one term. It'd be good if California had that rule.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I'm trying to. I was processing the pros and cons here. Right. What the good and the bad and in this case if it's applied and.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I agree with I agree with two, terms for a

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: A governor or a president. if you, if you are allowed. I know people would say well if you're good, if they're doing a good job, they should be allowed to be elected a third term or fourth term. I would say that, that you, you. I think the wisdom of of holding it to two, two term, four year terms and we do this for the president for the same reason is so they don't accumulate so much power that they can't be. You know what I'm saying?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: If you're in the office that much. So that's the idea of the two people. Too much power.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That makes, that makes the most.

>> Tim Wildmon: But one term is man. You just started. Yeah, just getting started.

I think term limits would be a good idea on a federal level

So. All right, you're listening to today's issue. you know that's. That goes back to at least on the federal level. Goes back to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Right. You remember. I know you weren't alive during his presidency, but. No, but he was into his fourth term.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: when he was when he died.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right, right. Then they passed that. They passed that amendment that could never happen again.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. FDR was on his fourth term, so 12 years, 13, 14, whatever it was, he was into that. so that after that they said, you know, this is not a good idea to have one man be the president for more than two terms. all right. I think term limits would be a good idea. It's never going to happen, I don't think. But I think term limits would be a good idea on a federal level because, for the same. For the same reason, incumbency carries with it so many advantages. It's hard to beat an incumbent regardless of how bad are good that they are. But, I think I would advocate for like 12 years. You know, two term, two Senate terms and then that would be six House terms. Six years. Because they have two year terms. I think that's what. That'd be plenty to build up power.

You favor lifetime appointments for federal judges, including Supreme Court justices

>> Wesley Wildmon: What's your opinion on the Supreme Court?

>> Tim Wildmon: Would you, if they're liberal, I don't think they should get any. Yeah.

>> Chris Woodward: Terms.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think they all should be conservative 9 to 0 and serve lifetime performance.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Now what do you think about the lifetime appointments?

>> Tim Wildmon: lifetime appointments. You got to remember when this was started, people lived to be in their 40s, right?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. I'm not sure what the year was, but I think, I think this goes back to our founding fathers and the Constitution, when the Constitution was drafted. But, the, the idea of lifetime appointments for federal judges, including Supreme Court justices, I think is a. Is that is a good idea. in the sense that you don't want judges to be affected by politics. so that if they, if they're going to have to be reappointed every four or six years, they're going to be very, they're going to be very, How would I. Both word. Am I looking for susceptible to political influences which you don't want with your judges that make sense? It's not a perfect system.

>> Tim Wildmon: No.

>> Tim Wildmon: But I do think, I do think lifetime appointments, are. Now if you wanted to go back and say until they're 70 something. I don't know if that'll ever happen. I think 70 years old would be a reasonable age. age. You can't impeach a federal judge. If you want to know, is there a. Is there a way to get rid of them if they're really, really bad? But that never happens. It rarely happens. I think we had a federal judge impeached because by impeach I mean taken off the bench because of, bribery.

>> Chris Woodward: You have 2010.

>> Tim Wildmon: It would have to be, you'd have to be in the Bob in some serious crime yourself to get, taken off the bench by an impeachment by the Senate.

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>> Tim Wildmon: We'Ll be back in a minute. Stay with us.

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Tim, Wesley and Ray talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day including a discussion on the SAVE Act. Also, Dr. Frank Turek joins the program to discuss the freedoms in the U.S. and also his travels coming up.