The loss of a child through abortion, miscarriage or stillbirth affects the emotional health

>> Sandy Rios: The loss of a child through abortion, miscarriage or stillbirth affects the emotional health of families. Feelings of anger, sadness and regret can be overwhelming. There is hope and healing in the aftermath of a reproductive loss. Call the International Helpline at 866-482-life- to talk with someone who has been where you are and healed. To help others.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Your.

>> Sandy Rios: Your call is confidential. 866-482-LIFE.

Today's Issues offers a Christian response to the issues of the day

>> Ed Vitagliano: Welcome to today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day.

>> Tim Wildmon: Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of.

>> Chris Woodward: The American Family Association.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues here on the American Family Radio Network. That's the name of this here show, Today's Issues on this Thursday, February 5, 2026. Thanks for listening to American Family Radio. I'm Tim Wildmon with Ed Battagliano. Good morning, Brother Ed.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wesley Wildmon. Good morning, Wesley.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It's an okay morning for me.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. But that's not gonna work as a book, Wesley. I'm not gonna sell any books. by. In the inspirational section call. It's an okay day by me.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's an okay Thursday.

>> Tim Wildmon: This day rocks. You might be able to sell some books.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I just pulled in from leaving the dentist office getting, my teeth cleaning. And I can't, you know, so I'm m gonna do the best I can.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, listen, if you got away from the dentist office with only a teeth.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Cleaning, then it is better.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Above average.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's above average day.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Absolutely.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now you're, you're not, your lips not drooling. All right, Chr. Woodward. Good morning, Chris. Good morning, Chris.

What's your favorite dentist experience that you remember in your lifetime

What's your favorite dentist experience that you remember in your lifetime?

>> Chris Woodward: when they, when you, when you, after, after you've had some things done and you walk up to the lady at the counter and she goes, we don't need you to pay for anything. That's the best day.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's a mess.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that is true.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, what that means is. What that means is we'll mail it to you. Sure.

>> Chris Woodward: I don't know how they make money sometimes because, a lot of doctors offices will tell you, like, ah, you don't, you don't have to pay anything. And then like three months later, you get some bill for something you don't even remember having done.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'll tell you a little horror story about that one.

>> Ed Vitagliano: A dentist.

>> Tim Wildmon: Do we have time for billing thing.

>> Ed Vitagliano: A good horror story on a Thursday makes it go from awesome.

>> Tim Wildmon: Allison, my wife, she, got, a knee Replacement, like, yeah, three years ago. So two years later, we get a bill. What?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I mean, several years later.

>> Tim Wildmon: No. Several thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah. And they said, sorry, man, we had a mix up in our system. And we just now, realizing what happened. And, I would have said, look.

>> Ed Vitagliano: There'S got to be a statute of limitations.

>> Tim Wildmon: I was thinking that, she said, her answer was, try come and get my knee back. so that didn't work.

>> Chris Woodward: Repossessed.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Come repo mama knee.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Repo the news.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, I thought that was funny.

>> Tim Wildmon: Chris's joke. Repo your knee.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Repo it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Your knee replacement.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Repo my knee.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yep. Right. anyway, so we paid it. Yeah, we paid it. It was painful. Yeah, but we paid it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: yeah, try not paying it with those guys. It's like not paying the irs.

>> Tim Wildmon: Put you on the. Put you on the. What do you call it when they start hand you over to a.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Probably wind up on the no fly list, too.

>> Chris Woodward: this week was the anniversary of the 16th Amendment being ratified.

>> Tim Wildmon: The. The income tax that was having to do with knee replacement.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, it was. Yes. Yeah, they needed that back in the.

>> Tim Wildmon: 1900 tax on knee replacements.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, some people, would sell their. Sell their, send. Sell one knee.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Because you don't, you know, you only need one. You only need one.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think we need to move on.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I think it's different body.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think we need to move on. You're listening to Today' issues. This is a serious show.

>> Wesley Wildmon: M. At some point.

>> Chris Woodward: It sure is.

>> Ed Vitagliano: At some point.

Wesley: We've got some happy news, too. I've got an uplifting soundboard

>> Tim Wildmon: all right, so, hey, I wanted to read this sweet note. We got one of our listeners. And then we'll move. I like to do this every once in a while. Then we'll move into the pressing news of the day.

>> Wesley Wildmon: but, say pressing news or.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Depressing, gut wrenching, huh?

>> Tim Wildmon: okay, well, we got some happy news, too.

>> Chris Woodward: I do. I've got an uplifting soundboard.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm ready to play.

>> Tim Wildmon: Chris got an uplift sound bite.

>> Chris Woodward: Positive and encouraging.

>> Ed Vitagliano: This is an.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, so, got, this a few months ago, actually, but these. The letters, sometimes come in and, put them to the side. But anyway, this listener, says, Dear AFA, I'm a 97, soon to be 98 year, old, living on Social Security and pension, plus legally blind. My money is very limited. As expect. an unexpected sum of money came to me and I have to share it with you. I do pray for you all and thank you for all you do. May the Lord keep you all safe and Give victory in all your efforts. And this is from, Christine, who lives in Ridgeway, Virginia. Wow. Isn't that sweet? Yeah, yeah. And that's a handwritten letter. We get handwritten letters like this all the time. Usually from people over 70. Right, that's the handwritten letters usually. But, anyway, she was, she's 98 now, since this letter was written, but I thought, What handwritten note? Sent us a donation?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Wesley, have you ever written a handwritten letter?

>> Wesley Wildmon: I have.

>> Tim Wildmon: I have written like fifth grade.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Mine weren't quite as long as mine were more notes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, okay. My son Tony, he was on the show with me yesterday. I tease him because he's. Let's see, he's 36. I think he turns 37 this summer.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And he writes like a fifth grader. His handwriting is like a doctor. Astonishingly bad. No, no, no, that's a copy. It's not a scribble. It's like a fifth grader trying to do his cursive.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You know the big loops on the H and the. Yeah, I mean, we tease them mercilessly about it.

>> Tim Wildmon: I gave up on the cursive. I still write cursive. Some. Yeah, but on the T. Yeah. And I was like, when, when do they teach cursive? Like third grade, depending on the school.

>> Chris Woodward: System where your grandkids are in school. They learned in kindergarten, but other schools.

>> Tim Wildmon: So they were teaching me to write my name and the T to me looked like a J.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah, that's.

>> Tim Wildmon: So I refuse that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, absolutely.

>> Tim Wildmon: I go straight up. I go straight up with it. Like a, Print. Yeah, a print.

>> Wesley Wildmon: T. Everything else is good.

>> Tim Wildmon: Then I go the rest. Cursive.

>> Ed Vitagliano: So it's kind of a hybrid.

>> Tim Wildmon: You do a hybrid?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm absolutely hybrid.

President Donald Trump spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast this morning

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues. Chris, what's your first story?

>> Chris Woodward: Alright, today is the, National Day, National Prayer Breakfast, which is something that's been around for a long time. And many, guest speakers have included presidents over the years. President Donald Trump himself was at the National Prayer Breakfast this morning. I've got a little bit of audio here. Clip 1.

>> Donald Trump: Our founders proclaimed the immortal truths that echoed around the world and down all the way through time. They declared that all of us are made free and equal by the hand of our Creator. A lot of presidents refuse to say that. They refuse to say that. Some refuse. Some major politicians refuse to say the word God. They don't want to say it. I say it that we are endowed with our, sacred rights to life, liberty, and not by government, but by God Almighty himself.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, you know, we don't get what. I'm sorry, I was going to be serious for a moment, but it is funny the way he says it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. Listen, somebody wrote that for him. I love to do all.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I love President Trump's voice.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And his expressions and. But he, he typically will say whatever he's talking about. A lot of people won't say it, but I say it.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And then he says it again.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Then he says it, you know, so.

>> Wesley Wildmon: anyway, it's very typical of him.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, what he was doing was acknowledging God.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Amen.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Nothing wrong with that.

>> Tim Wildmon: So good for him.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Good thing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Good for him for acknowledging God and.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Understanding the beliefs, the beliefs of the founders.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Which, centered, around God.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. So it was a national prayer breakfast. I've been to a couple of those. And, they. It's a long standing tradition. Ah. When I went to Bill Clinton spoke when he was president, and then another one I went to President Trump. Was, in office.

>> Chris Woodward: Was the food good?

>> Tim Wildmon: The food was typical, banquet food, you know what I'm saying?

>> Chris Woodward: I didn't know if they were just still using breakfast, but they don't actually.

>> Tim Wildmon: It was at a big hotel, like a Hilton Hotel or something like that. I don't. The food was not memorable, Chris. That's what you're asking me.

>> Chris Woodward: That's how you get to a Baptist heart at a prayer breakfast.

>> Tim Wildmon: What now?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Food.

>> Chris Woodward: That's how you get to a Baptist heart.

>> Tim Wildmon: A Baptist tart.

>> Chris Woodward: A Baptist's heart is through breakfast.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, that's the way you get to a Baptist heart is through breakfast.

>> Chris Woodward: Yes, sir.

>> Tim Wildmon: I've got you. Okay, Bishop, bring the breakfast.

>> Wesley Wildmon: And they come and pray because,

>> Ed Vitagliano: Around here in the south, I never saw any of this growing up. I grew up in NewSong England, so this is a whole different culture down here. But I get invited to different churches, like brotherhood breakfasts, constantly. I mean, and this is just. People want to invite you to their church. Hey, we're having a.

>> Tim Wildmon: They want a free speakers. What they want? Well, I, I learned this a long.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Time ago to do that, but I, I'm speaking class, so I can't really drive.

>> Tim Wildmon: An hour and a half. I have an hour and a half. Speak to our brotherhood and we'll give you a handshake and a piece of bacon.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. Now, there is a guy listening named John from, from the area, and John's church They feed you really well. there's a couple of churches over.

>> Wesley Wildmon: More than one piece of bacon.

>> Chris Woodward: You put on some weight if you go visit them.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'm just kidding. Okay. I've spoken at many, I've spoken in many brotherhoods over the years, but I have paid those dues. Yes. And I'm not re entering that arena.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's time for a new, a new generation.

>> Tim Wildmon: New generation can go to those. Wake up at 6:30 on Sunday morning.

What you do is when you go up to the breakfast, just say is this all plant based

>> Chris Woodward: What you do is when you go up to the breakfast, just say, is this all plant based? And then you don't get invited.

>> Tim Wildmon: Where we live, they kick you out and then they drink it better not be all plant based.

>> Chris Woodward: Lay hands on you and not in.

>> Ed Vitagliano: The biblical sense, drag you behind the church, beat you up.

>> Tim Wildmon: It's biscuits and eggs and a hog. All right, next story. Chris.

President Trump said that ice could be a little softer in Minnesota

>> Chris Woodward: All right, one of the other things that President Trump has been saying beyond talking about God Almighty himself. the clip we just played there, President Trump's, getting asked a ton of questions about ice and could they be, you know, conducting themselves better when they go and search for people in the country illegally? And I've got some audio here of President Trump, saying that ice could be a little softer in Minnesota and other places. Clip 3.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Mr. President, speaking of Minneapolis, what did you learn?

>> Donald Trump: I learned that, maybe we can use a little bit of a softer touch, but you still have to be tough. These are criminal. We're dealing with really hard criminals. But, look, I've called the people, I've called the governor, I've called the mayor, spoke to him, had great conversations with him.

>> Chris Woodward: That was from NBC, by the way.

>> Tim Wildmon: So a softer, tougher approach.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Tim Wildmon: What? That ain't making sense.

>> Chris Woodward: Clear as well.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Now, this is something. Oh, go ahead.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm just gonna say, so in the last three or four days on this issue, none of it has made sense. You've gotten a bunch of what you just heard, which is we got to be softer, we got to be tougher with their softness or softer. What they're, I mean, like, it's speaking out of both sides. and I, you know, I, I'm really, I'm really at, a loss onto why that is the case. Because this is like an. Another analogy would be like the Christian that compromises to the LGBT issue in the name of being nice, but then you, but you, then you alienate and lose your Christian true biblical friends. But you also are, are never satisfying the LGBT crowd in the Same way here in doing a softer, more tougher approach. You're, you're frustrating people like me who voted for you to do exactly what you're doing. But yet you'll never make Frey happy enough. The mayor or Celeftis. Celeftis, waltz never be happy enough. And so I'm a bit confused on what the strategy behind this would be other outside of pr. It from a policy standpoint, it's a, it's a bad way of going about it. Unless there's something behind the scenes going on that we don't know about, that we may find out. The 3D chess is all.

>> Tim Wildmon: I think what he was saying was I don't. The way, I don't, I don't like the way it looks.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that's.

>> Tim Wildmon: But it has to be done this way. that's kind of what I, what I got from President Trump right there.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And you have said before, and I absolutely agree you've said before, that law, the work of law enforcement is not pretty. Okay. And I'm not just talking about ice. I'm just talking about Never looks good on tv. Yeah, it never looks good on tv. And really our country has been as you, as is usual, very influenced by the mainstream media and the images, that have been. And the out and out lies or at least misrepresentation of what's happening. You know, that, you know, about the five year old boy, you know, ICE did this. Well, no, ICE was going after the dad and the dad abandoned the boy.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And then ICE had to take the boy into custody just because there was no one to take care of him. But then it was Ice arresting a five year old boy. That kind of stuff has degraded the patience of the American people. I think it's wrong what the media has been doing and what the Democrats have been doing and saying. Tim Walsh saying ICE is committing atrocities. Like we're talking about, Boko Haram in Nigeria. Okay. and so to your point, that looks bad. And I think President Trump is trying to find a way to make it not look so bad but still get the job done. But it is confusing to Western Point.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. What did he say? Softer tough. What did he say?

>> Chris Woodward: Softer tough. Could be softer touch.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It's not short.

Mr. President, speaking of Minneapolis, what did you learn?

Mr. President, speaking of Minneapolis, what did you learn?

>> Donald Trump: I learned that maybe we can use a little bit of a softer touch, but you still have to be tough. These are criminal. We're dealing with really hard criminals. But look, I've Called the people. I've called the governor, I've called the mayor, spoke to him, had great conversations with them.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Let me just remind us here, as we move in our Life and News 100 to nothing, that we. That they are carrying out ice. They're carrying out the same process and procedures and mission all across the country. And the only stop that's been a problem is Minneapolis or Minnesota.

>> Tim Wildmon: Los Angeles, too. Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Has it been the same degree?

>> Ed Vitagliano: They kind of been following the. The strategy, the blueprint of Minneapolis.

>> Tim Wildmon: M. Not as bad. You're right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay, so then. Okay, that helps too, though, because that makes the case that all this started going south when Fright. Freya Fry. Pick one. Mayor. The mayor and Waltz said that we are. That we are not going to help you. And in fact, we're going to entice people and we're going to,

>> Tim Wildmon: We're going to encourage people to confront ice.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Right. Confrontation. So this all started. The reason we're in the news is because of them. okay, what ice.

>> Tim Wildmon: If people on the left, they don't. First of all, they don't believe in borders. That's right. They don't believe in. That people are here illegally or that.

>> Wesley Wildmon: They don't commit crime.

>> Tim Wildmon: What?

>> Wesley Wildmon: You can't really commit a crime, apparently, either. Because here's what.

>> Tim Wildmon: Here's the way that the lefties would like to see this handle if they had. If they even believe in ICE at all. And that is. Hello? Yeah, Bill and Sam here. We're from ice. you don't have to open the door. You can look on the ring cam. And, just wanted to let you know we're here to talk to, so and so. And, we're gonna be, We're here to pick him up, and we're gonna take him down to the, Hello? Can you hear me? Yeah, we're gonna take him down to the ice, detention center. So we're portal. So we're gonna be. We're gonna be waiting out in the car out front here on the street. If you could just tell him to get his bags and get his stuff together. We'll wait and, And we'll take him on down there. Okay. And listen, whatever time he needs. Half an hour. An hour, whatever. If you're watching a movie or TV show, we can wait, but we just want to be nice about this thing and be pleasant. So, we're. Again, we're Bill and Sam from ICE and we're going to be out front in the car. You can see us out there. Yeah. And if we can go. Go do anything for you, do some grocery shopping, whatever, to help the family outlet, let us know.

The mayor of Minneapolis says he doesn't want ICE arresting hardened criminals

Thank you. That's how ICE is supposed to handle, trying to arrest hardened criminals from, the streets of Minneapolis. That's what they're supposed to do.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I would argue that the mayor of Minneapolis doesn't even want ICE doing that. They don't. They.

>> Tim Wildmon: I agree. I agree. They shouldn't be knocking on the door again. And this is one of the things that, frustrates me is because they are never, rarely or never asked the people who protest ice, especially the, publicly, the elected officials like the governor and the mayor there. M. I've never heard them ask. So what do you suggest?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: That the federal government does for, enforcing the immigration laws. And then put the microphone. Let them answer that question. Because I don't all. I get it. Well, they shouldn't be doing this, you know, saying that's all I get. I don't get how they're. How they would. You know why? Because they don't believe in enforcing immigration laws.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah. We have had, we have allowed the narrative to begin to either turn and, or start going the other direction because the question should be asked. That should be asked. Another question should be asked to Governor Waltz, if your daughter was raped by an illegal immigrant.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Wesley Wildmon: You like us to. To detain him, deport, prosecute him. Yes or no.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. They need to be forced to answer that question. It's easy to say, get them out of here. Yeah. It's, get them out of here. And then. So you want all the illegal immigrant criminals to stay in Minneapolis. That's what you're saying. That's who you're protecting.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's it.

>> Tim Wildmon: Now they're going to say, no, you're arresting people who are not committing.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, that's not good. That's a straw man at this point.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

A lot of these ICE tactics were done under the Obama administration, Ed says

All right. You're listening to today's issue. What are we going to say related.

>> Chris Woodward: To, asking questions to these Democrats here? The mayor of Minneapolis, Frey Fry, was, on cnn.

>> Tim Wildmon: Frey Fry?

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, I call him Frey Fry because his name's pronounced different ways.

>> Tim Wildmon: I thought that was you talking about something at McDonald's.

>> Chris Woodward: No, no. the mayor of Minneapolis, he was on cnn, to talk about these kinds of things. And what's interesting and what people need to be told and what people need to remember is that a lot of these ICE tactics are actually things that were done by, during the Obama administration. Now cnn, to their credit, asked the Minneapolis mayor about that. Hey, you're opposing these policies, but Obama did some of these things when he was in office. What do you have to say about that? Here is the non answer answer. Clip 4.

>> Sandy Rios: But it is worth noting that during the Obama years, the Hennepin county jail actually had a policy where they let an ICE agent keep an office there and allowed them to talk to immigrants. So the policy has clearly been under a Democratic president. What now the Trump administration is asking for? I mean, big picture. Do you think it's good policy for the jails to follow an ICE detainer and hand someone over if they've committed a crime? And again, this only happens after they've served their time, you know, for whatever crime they may have committed against the people of Minnesota.

>> Chris Woodward: I mean, look, you're asking all the right questions here. and while I don't have full expertise in how the operations at the jail are conducted, again, that's not our jurisdiction.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow.

>> Tim Wildmon: What else do you say?

>> Chris Woodward: That's where it's good. that's where it cuts off.

>> Tim Wildmon: He stopped. Is that the answer?

>> Chris Woodward: That was the answer. And what's, what's interesting? I don't have all the answers. The guy has literally been making himself available to talk about all kinds of things as if he is the.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, that's what I mean. They won't answer the questions, they won't answer the hard questions related to then how do we. Well, he's saying the same thing was done under Obama that you're going after Trump on now. Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And that is. I'm glad CNN asked that.

>> Chris Woodward: That was Casey Hunt.

>> Tim Wildmon: I'll share that, video, on our Facebook page.

>> Wesley Wildmon: A surprise one once today.

>> Tim Wildmon: So you're going to put that on our Today's issues.

>> Chris Woodward: We may have witnessed Casey Hunt's last day at CNN for asking another question. Casey, we're hiring.

>> Tim Wildmon: If you're right, the mayor's, that was you impressed with that answer, Ed?

>> Ed Vitagliano: No, no. in fact, he seemed surprised by it. He seemed surprised that Obama was doing. Hat had an ICE office in the. I guess it was a county jail for the Minneapolis, the county that Minneapolis is in. He seems surprised. He, like he didn't know this. Like he thought that President Trump invented this process with ice.

>> Tim Wildmon: All he had to say was, if he wanted to use the word undocumented, which is what they like to say. Yes. If an undocumented person commits a crime and is in our jail, then we, certainly we're going to hand him over to ICE because, we don't want to have to house him anymore and he probably will be deported. Yes. Next question. I mean, how hard is that?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, but that. They don't want to do that.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Also read, and I read in part of, Holman's conversation, conversation with the two on the phone, something along the lines of, well, just let them finish out their sentence and then please give us a call and we'll come pick them up then. And he said no to that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Who said no?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Governor, Walt Waltz and, Fred.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah. we want them back on our streets.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Well, they said, they said that they, they threatened to hold the. Hold them longer. Imagine faster time.

>> Tim Wildmon: Imagine what you, what you say. What you're saying is. No, we want, we want those violent criminals back on our streets.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: More than we want ICE to detain them.

>> Wesley Wildmon: This is an 80, 20 for sure issue.

>> Ed Vitagliano: This is cutting off your nose despite your face.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Because that's the point you're making. Okay. We're going to let them loose in our city.

>> Tim Wildmon: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And they're going to cut. They're going to commit more crime. We all know that. But we'd rather do that than hand them over to ICE and give ICE a victory.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know. They didn't do that under Obama, though.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tim Wildmon: but, now all of a sudden.

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Well, all right, so we're going to take a short time out right here. Sandy Rios will be with us in a few moments. You were listening to the radio program Today's Issues on American Family Radio.

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>> Ed Vitagliano: Or hydroxychloroquine.

>> Tim Wildmon: Saying those words again.

>> Ed Vitagliano: How about this? If I say hydroxymex. Mectin.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. We'll do something like that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's kind of like hm, code speak. Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: But we get flagged when you start using words like that. And, Ivor.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Chloroquine.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Hey, that's a good one.

>> Chris Woodward: I like generic version.

>> Tim Wildmon: I have a chloroquine sound like it'll heal everything. Do you drink that over the.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Over the counter?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I think you, you, you. When you, inject bleach into your body, I think you, you can.

>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, that's one of those things I would just say don't knock it till you try it. Okay.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Or horse medicine or whatever.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, Horseville.

>> Tim Wildmon: Horse bill. All right. we're joking about. If you're new to afr, we don't.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Give medical advice often. But that was, that was.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, we got banned YouTube and I don't know, Facebook did, but YouTube took us off, like, two or three times back during COVID because. Don't say it again. just because Brother Ed was saying those words that will not be said again.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I wasn't afraid.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Afraid of those guys, you know, took us down.

>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know why. They would only say, hey, you got banned for violating community standards. But we would say, what community standards did we violate? And they would never answer us. But anyway, so YouTube put us back on, and, Facebook, we were. I don't know. I think Facebook ever took us off. But, because I think Zuckerberg, he was the one talking about injecting bleach, so why would he be opposed to us saying that kind of thing? You know what I'm saying? What? I think I just slandered Mark Zuckerberg. So we'll be taking off Facebook.

>> Chris Woodward: You will not be invited to the Metaverse.

>> Tim Wildmon: Nine, eight.

>> Ed Vitagliano: seven. Look, I just want to say.

>> Tim Wildmon: Kidding.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Mark Zuckerberg is just a fine fellow.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, thank you.

Mark Zuckerberg changed his tone because Donald Trump got elected president

>> Ed Vitagliano: So I just want. I just want to say I'm a big fan.

>> Tim Wildmon: You're a big fan.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Was it because of culture, change or new administration or shifting that he all of a sudden changed his tone?

>> Tim Wildmon: Mark Zuckerberg?

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, I'm being sarcastic.

>> Tim Wildmon: He changed his tone because Donald Trump got elected president. Yes.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Although all those, big, big, business guys, you know, they go with whoever the president is that's seemingly.

Tim Ferriss: American Family Radio host Sandy Rios joins us now

All right. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Thanks for listening. Sandy Rios joins us now. Sandy is host of the Twice a week sandy rios24.7 podcast, which you can [email protected] it's a very popular podcast here on American Family Radio's website, afr.net afr.net and, Sandy joins us now. Good morning, Sandy.

>> Sandy Rios: Good morning, Tim and gang. You guys sound chipper this morning.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, we are.

>> Ed Vitagliano: We're chipper.

>> Tim Wildmon: We're chipper.

>> Chris Woodward: Ed's four Diet Cokes in. He's ready to go.

>> Sandy Rios: I bet I beat you. I bet I beat Ed. And you're a Diet Coke guy.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Sandy Rios: No wonder I like you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That is right. all these people around me are coffee people, and I just. I abhor them.

>> Sandy Rios: You know what? Adam's been with me for so long, so we always let. I always tell them the secret to my success, ah, quote, unquote, is a Diet Coke and peanut butter, because I used to have a spoon of peanut butter and a bucket load of Diet Coke. So There you go.

>> Tim Wildmon: A spoon of peanut butter a day.

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah, I do that just to,

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, if you limit it to keeps arthritis away.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's. That's good protein. Yeah, yeah.

>> Sandy Rios: It gives you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, there's. I didn't know this. Every, like, teaspoon, maybe. Teaspoon. I don't know if it's a tablespoon, but peanut butter has a load of fat, so you can. A teaspoon or tablespoon is okay.

>> Tim Wildmon: Trade off.

>> Ed Vitagliano: But if you sit there with, like I have done before, watching a ball game with. With a sleeve of crackers.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And peanut butter, and just scoop, apply. eat.

>> Tim Wildmon: Two hours later, you're going, what have I done?

>> Ed Vitagliano: Two hours. I wish I waited that long.

>> Tim Wildmon: I know.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Better. No, better, but I'm gonna keep going here. Crunchy. or. Or smooth.

>> Sandy Rios: Crunchy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, you're crunchy.

>> Tim Wildmon: That's why. Yeah.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Everybody gets that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, everyone's different.

>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm asking everybody. I like them both. I like crunchy and Skippy's sweeter.

>> Sandy Rios: I like sweet.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, Listen, I remember when. I know this is meaningless to most people. I apologize. Please don't turn us off. We are going to have some serious stuff with Sandy here in just a second. But I remember when. I think it might have been. Skippy came out with peanut butter and jelly in the same jar where they had the jelly.

>> Chris Woodward: Just revolutionary.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Stripes of it in the man. We begged my mom to get that, and she would say what most normal parents would say. We got a jar of peanut butter. We got a jar of jelly. What's the. What's the issue here? Why do you have to have it in one jar anyway?

>> Tim Wildmon: But it was those kind of conveniences that changed the 20th century.

>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.

>> Sandy Rios: Very good, Tim.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Changed civilization.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, Then they. Then they put the Reese's cup out there.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, listen.

>> Sandy Rios: Ah, yeah. And then now they have a ton of different. Like 10 different Reese Cups.

>> Ed Vitagliano: My mom, who was an amazing cook, she was Greek.

My mom was mortified when we started begging for SpaghettiOs

My dad was Italian. But my mom cooked amazing, you know, marinara sauce and lasagna and all that. She was mortified when we started begging for SpaghettiOs. When they came out.

>> Tim Wildmon: Chef Boyardee SpaghettiOs, like food blasphemy.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes. She said, no, I'm not buying that. That's not spaghetti SpaghettiOs.

Bruce Long, your husband, was hospitalized with severe illness

>> Tim Wildmon: All right, all right, all right. I wanted to ask you, Sandy, I don't know if I remember back during, Covid and Bruce, your husband. Bruce, rather, my friend and your husband, he was hospitalized and you shared this story, but, Something saved his life.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You can say it now, can't you?

>> Sandy Rios: Oh, well, I never stopped saying it.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, seriously, we're getting serious here. I wanted you to tell that story. Do you have time?

>> Sandy Rios: I do. I do want to mention two other things, if I have time.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. Oh, we got plenty. We got 20 minutes.

>> Sandy Rios: Okay. well, early on in Covid, we were actually at CPAC in Washington, D.C. when it first broke out. That was January of 2020. Well, I think the fall of 19, it started breaking out, but we didn't hear about it till then. And we came back home, and, timeline here. Bruce. Let's just say Bruce got sick. We did not take the vaccine because we knew too much, and we were not about to take that. And so, of course, the vaccine didn't prevent it. Most people who got the vaccine got it multiple times. So I just want to make that clear. So Bruce got sick. We were then, okay, ironically, in CPAC in Dallas. And we were flying there, and Bruce began to get really sick on the plane, like, suddenly. And we had kind of a. I tried to get him to get off the plane because they hadn't taken off yet, and he wouldn't. And I'll make this quick, but it is actually a pretty dramatic story. We got to Texas. We went to a restaurant, and he, was so sick. He laid his head on the table. He couldn't hold it up. And he went to the restroom and was gone for at least 30 minutes. And I just was beside myself. Here I am in Texas, and here he is getting sick. I don't know. I don't trust the medical authorities at that time on Covid already, because they were putting people on masks, and I didn't want to send him to a hospital, so he had fainted in the bathroom. That's how sick he was. Tim passed out and came, back out. We, There's a lot more to this story, but I couldn't put him back on a plane. We couldn't get back on a plane. So I put him in a. We went to the hotel, and I kept bringing liquids back to him. I was, there, I think, a day and a half while I did what I did at the conference. And then Sunday had to bring him back home. And, of course, it was just. He was. I just. It's hard to describe how traumatic that was. I got him back, and, I had to. He just. I couldn't even hardly get him on the bed. When we came back from the plane, from the Airport. And the very next morning, I took him to the hospital and,

>> Tim Wildmon: In Florida and.

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah. Back home at a place that I felt we could trust. And so, I went out to the car to get his dopp kit. and when I came back and they had already taken him, and I wasn't able even to say goodbye, hug him, nothing.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wait, so you take him to the hospital. Okay. Excuse me for interrupting here.

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah. He was in a wheelchair.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. He's in. So you come. You get.

>> Ed Vitagliano: He.

>> Tim Wildmon: He's just weak as I'll get out. He's been sick, dehydrated in Texas. But you're at this convention. So you get him on the. Able to at least get to the airport, get on the plane, fly back to Florida. Right. And then you take him to the hospital there. The hospital that you thought Florida. Yes, in Florida. And then. So you go out to the car and they wheel him back.

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah. Just to grab his, you know, his stuff he brought.

>> Tim Wildmon: And,

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah. And they wheeled him out. And I didn't even get to say goodbye to him.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh. Because they were very restrictive back then, on who went into the hospital.

>> Sandy Rios: Yes. And so I couldn't get up to the floor. I couldn't even talk to the doctor face to face. Long story short.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wow.

>> Sandy Rios: We got assigned the next morning.

Tim Stay: Bruce had Covid pneumonia and was on COVID

I. Because I know I was learning. I was still on the learning curve about the vaccine and about COVID and all of that. And I got on the line and started, you know, learning more and more and more than I actually even knew. The next morning at the crack of dawn, I went to the hospital and sat in the parking lot and prayed. Ah, this is hard. And I wrote a letter to the doctor, who was a Chinese Christian. And, we prayed on the phone. He actually asked if he could pray with me on the phone, which I was just thrilled. And he was the one I wrote this letter to. And basically I appealed to him. I said, I'm not a doctor. Not claiming that, but I am in the information business. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And would you please, please give my husband Ivermectin, please? We've got nothing to lose. Because he was going to put him on a ventilator. We have nothing to lose. And do you know, he did that. And he got in a lot of trouble for that. But, Bruce was in the hospital then for the next four or five days, and then released. Now, he didn't come dancing out of the building because what happened during those times, he still had Covid pneumonia. and, they didn't treat people properly. I think that's why they stopped short of full treatment, which is what you would give on any pneumonia. So I had. I took him to, urgent care and got more ivermectin. I got tons of antibiotic and I just took care of him. And, But the ivermectin, I mean, he was able to be out five days later, be wheeled out. But I tell you, Tim, that was.

>> Tim Wildmon: Instead of going on. Instead of going on a ventilator.

>> Sandy Rios: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: A lot of people never came off those ventilators.

>> Sandy Rios: My say, you'd be shocked. You'd be shocked at the percentages.

>> Tim Wildmon: you. And they quit putting them on vents after a while.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I was told.

>> Sandy Rios: No, they didn't, Tim.

>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I, I was told by someone, and I'm not going to give any details because I don't want, anyone trying to track it down. And so I was told by someone in the medical profession, do not let them put you on a ventilator. When I had Covid back during. COVID Yeah, yeah, I had Covid and my oxygen started to drop. And I. And my doctor told me, well, if it drops below a certain, we're going to have to put you. Send you to the emergency room. And I talked to this other person who's in the medical field. They said, whatever you do, do not let them put you on a ventilator. Because. And he said, don't quote me on this. I have to deny it. He said, but, that's a death sentence.

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah. And let me interject. There's a reason for that. This is the horrible truth. Hospitals were getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for claiming patients as COVID positive. You got tons of money for that. And using ventilators, you got tons of money for that. That's how that went. And this from my part, is how our medical system really started crashing and burning. I mean, doctors, of course, the hospitals are corporate owned, but, doctors were in a terrible dilemma. If they had a conscience, because, Because they were. They had to work. They're working for the corporation. So this is how ugly it got. And they actually. I'm sorry. They killed people. They killed people. And so this is why we.

>> Tim Wildmon: This is all I can say, kill people that didn't stab them with the knife, you say by not giving him.

>> Sandy Rios: Not treating them properly because there was proper medication, even that remdesivir was a hoax. The only thing remdesivir did was they alleged would keep your hospital Stay down to three days. And that, I don't believe that was even true. Remdesivir does deadly things to your kidneys, your organs.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You remember there were entire wings of hospitals shut down because because they, they were limiting the number of people in there. Their staff was limited because they were firing people. People who would not go along with the protocols. And so the hospitals. I think, some of them. I'm not saying all. I want to be fair here. This is my sense of what they were doing. They were relying on all this federal money to make up for income shortfalls.

>> Sandy Rios: I don't doubt that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And they were doing what the CDC and Dr. Fauci etc were telling them to do. So ventilator without question. yes. You're going to pay us all this money for ventilators? Absolutely, we'll do it.

>> Sandy Rios: Yeah.

Dr. Anthony Fauci was highly regarded prior to Covid controversy

Well, the other thing, the caveat I would add is I believe there are people of good conscience who for years did believe it was like the holy grail. The CDC and the National Institutes for Health, we had tremendous faith in our medical. But we had no idea that we had the Dr. Fauci's, the Mengele of the United States. We had no idea who was running those agencies and what they were actually doing. So some medical people rightfully, well, rightfully wrong, I don't know, just were so dedicated to those systems that they were blinded. That's part of it too.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. You know what with Dr. Anthony Fauci, he Okay, I'm going to say that prior to Covid, he was pretty highly regarded in the field that he was, Was it the Disease and what was it?

>> Sandy Rios: What was for disease? CDC center for Disease.

>> Tim Wildmon: No, he was over, nih. Nih, okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: One of their divisions, I think.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, okay. National Institute of Health. But he was well known as having to do with disease. Okay. You know why I didn't make it in medical school now, but what I'm saying is he was pretty highly regarded.

>> Sandy Rios: Well, that was his reputation. But he had some terrible stuff in his past.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, he did, but people didn't know that. But he lost all credibility almost immediately. And it was self inflicted when he said, you remember this? I know we're reliving, rehashing things, but you know, maybe we'll never do this again.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Radio.

>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: but I will tell you this. He said they asked him about COVID and stopping Covid with mask. I don't know. It was an unguarded moment or he was just Telling the truth.

>> Ed Vitagliano: It was early on. It was early on March or something.

>> Tim Wildmon: So he said before the sixth curve. Yes, yes, he said what? I'm paraphrasing now, but he basically said, you can marrow. You can wear a mask if it makes you feel better. But masks do not stop. Covid now.

>> Sandy Rios: You're spot on. He did say that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Didn't he say that?

>> Sandy Rios: Yes, he did.

>> Wesley Wildmon: It was before the next week.

>> Tim Wildmon: That was the truth.

>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: From Dr. And then two weeks later, boom, he switches. Hey, everybody mask up. six feet away.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Flatten the curve.

>> Tim Wildmon: Flatten the curve. And I thought a guy of your stature, you know, making a, making a fundamental flip like that from, you can wear a mask if you want to, but it doesn't stop. Covid to everybody mask up.

>> Wesley Wildmon: He didn't have time to get in there and invest in mask financially anyway.

>> Sandy Rios: Good point.

>> Tim Wildmon: The bottom line is, Sandy, you, you got this doctor to, give Bruce Ivermectin. Why? Ivermectin was smeared and joked about because.

>> Sandy Rios: It was effective and they would not have made the money they made.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, that was. The pharmaceutical companies couldn't make money off.

>> Tim Wildmon: You guys are just so. You have such honest.

>> Ed Vitagliano: listen, I'm like what Sandy said, being a realist, I used to have a lot of respect for the medical profession. Now I still love my doctor. Okay, I'm not saying all of them. but when all that happened, cdc, nih and the. The, the ties with the pharmaceutical companies that shattered any illusions I had about how this game was played.

>> Tim Wildmon: You know, the money, too. When you incentivize, like you've talked about the hospitals, like you've talked about, then that's a conflict of interest.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, it is.

>> Tim Wildmon: And giving. I m mean, I don't care who you are. I mean, that just is. People are influenced by money.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You got to stay in business. That's the way they thought of it, I'm sure.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.

Most medical people, from my remembrance here, did not take COVID shot

All right. but I remember some of the very things you guys are talking about in terms of doctors and nurses. Doctors and nurses would say, you know, kind of look around to see who's looking, who's listening. But they would say things that were, at least second guessing or contrary to what their protocols were from their own bosses.

>> Sandy Rios: Most medical people, from my remembrance here, I can't give you a stat. did not take the shot.

>> Wesley Wildmon: That's right.

>> Sandy Rios: A lot of they didn't. I mean, Bruce did an unofficial while, even though he was sick, he asked people in the. They Were in the COVID ward, and, they did not take the shot. People who are all mess. It looked like they were in outer space, all bundled up, but they did not take it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, I remember my wife and I taking my daughter to the emergency room. She had an injury, and we were in the. They take you. Once you get through the waiting room, they take you to an area where there are rooms, examination rooms. And so there were, There were cots out in the hallway, and it was clear that they were overwhelmed with people. This is probably 20. 20, 21, maybe 20, 22. And I. I asked the doctor who came to see my daughter. I followed him out, and I said, hey, just a quick question. What. What's with all the. The, They're not cots. They're the rolling beds or whatever.

>> Chris Woodward: You.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I said, what's with all these. There's patients out in the hallway. And I asked him. I said. He said, well, we're understaffed. And I said, can I ask you a question? Are, you understaffed because you fired staff for not taking the. The, shot? And he. He said, yeah, I guess it was a moment of honesty or whatever. And I just. I said, okay, thank you.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. That's another thing we're talking about. The doubt. And, that was cast on the medical. Professional. Medical community during COVID was for some very valid reasons. I mentioned Dr. Fauci saying, Mask don't help now. Everybody. And then two weeks later, no, everybody wear masks. but then, you know, you had, the ivermectin situation. You couldn't even say it.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: Couldn't even discuss it without being mocked.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And kicked off on social. On. On platforms here.

>> Tim Wildmon: YouTube. Yeah. Yeah.

>> Sandy Rios: Well, the problem is, too. There's never been a rectifying, never an admission. And so hospitals are still pushing. Pushing shots, some that are also. Excuse me, my voice. That are. They're also, suspect in their effectiveness. And they've never admitted. In fact, I know Mayo Clinic because I know them very well.

>> Ed Vitagliano: They.

>> Sandy Rios: They. I don't know if they're still pushing the COVID shot, but I think they are. They were up until last. At last.

>> Sandy Rios: because I was up there pushing it still.

Part of the frustration in America is nobody pays for anything, right

>> Ed Vitagliano: This is part of the frustration in America is nobody pays for anything, right? there's just nobody. There's a. There's not a reckoning for anything anymore. People don't go to prison, you know, for this crime or that crime. They don't. There's no reckoning in terms voting irregularity for nothing. and this is part of the frustration in America is because, you know, when are we going to find out the truth about that whole Covid era?

>> Wesley Wildmon: In fact, you're going to prison.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. There's a latent frustration out there amongst people. This is why there was so much racket about releasing the Epstein files. Okay. Now, I'm not going to spend any time reading that stuff.

>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, dude, you need to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Somebody will do that report back tomorrow. But I think the reason behind that driving that is that people were saying, listen, we gotta have. Somebody's gotta face some. Some consequences in this country. And. And nobody ever seems to, well, face it.

>> Tim Wildmon: I do think the election was a big, you know.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Tim Wildmon: a, reckoning, so to speak. Yeah. The presidential election, against all the millions of illegal immigrants that were led. I'm sorry.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Hey, listen, what, what about the reckoning for those members in the intelligence communities in this country that spied on a president?

>> Sandy Rios: Okay.

>> Ed Vitagliano: M. I mean, there's a lot of things. All this stuff people say, well, who went to prison? Anybody get fired? Anybody lose their job? Anyone lose. There's a couple of people I'm sure probably lost some clearance, security clearance.

>> Tim Wildmon: But, it. Yeah. Anyway.

Tim Ferriss: Things are very important actually, Tim

All right, well, we're out of time, Sandy. there was one other. Can you hold on after the break?

>> Sandy Rios: Yes. Because these two are. Things are very important actually, Tim. So that'd be great if you have time.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I was the one who diverted our attention away, but I wanted. But we did get to talking.

>> Ed Vitagliano: I kind of missed talking about that Covid era, that we hadn't talked about that in a long time.

>> Tim Wildmon: Nostalgic. Well, it's.

>> Sandy Rios: It's still. It's still an issue, the trust. And it's good to revisit that and understand so we have a baseline for understanding what's happening now.

>> Tim Wildmon: Well, and should that happen again. Should that kind of thing happen again, you know, but,

>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, that'll never happen again, Tim. They would. Wouldn't dare try that again.

>> Wesley Wildmon: John O.

>> Tim Wildmon: Wood.

Uh, all right, so, uh, we are. All right. Well, Steve's got some angles here that he could help you guys

all right, so, we are. You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. There's the music. Chris, thank you.

>> Chris Woodward: Thank you.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Almost thanks for nothing. For Chris. We made him sit there.

>> Tim Wildmon: For Chris had, ah, many other stories that have covered Steve.

>> Chris Woodward: Well, Steve's got some angles here that he could help you guys with on the discussion, you're having about COVID and some of the other stuff.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we're gonna come back for some other issues with Sandy. that was just a trip down memory lane, folks. Hope you enjoyed that.

>> Tim Wildmon: Yes. All right. thank you, Chris. All right.

Stay with us for more on Sandy's top two issues

And we shall return moment Sandy will we let we will get to Sandy's top two things she wanted to discuss today before I took us down a.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Bumped us off the track country road Take you home Take me home.

>> Tim Wildmon: Let's see what you did there. We'll be back momentarily. Stay with us. The views and opinions expressed in this.

>> Sandy Rios: Broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family association or American Family Radio.

>> Tim Wildmon: M.

Tim, Ed and Wesley talk with Chris on top news headlines of the day including President Trump's latest comments concerning ICE. Also, Sandy Rios joins the program to discuss what we learned from COVID.