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Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Paisley Jordan

>> Ed Vitagliano: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Ed Vitagliano. And welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues. Ed Vitagliano sitting in for Tim Wildmon today. And for the remainder of the week, I'm joined in studio by Tony Vitagliano. And now Fred Jackson's been replaced by Steve Paisley Jordal. And he comes equipped with the appropriate attire.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, got some Paisley on. And you can't replace Fred Jackson.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, that's true.

>> Steve Jordahl: So I can figure him and. Wait a minute, is there some relation there? A little bit.

>> Ed Vitagliano: There is a little bit, a little bit of relationship here.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Have you made the jump, Steve, and just changed your name on your driver's license like Steve Paisley Jordan?

>> Steve Jordahl: I need to.

>> Tony Vitagliano: You need to.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Did you tell me one time that people, when they, when they see you around town or otherwise, they say people. Yeah, yeah, they say the, Paisley. That's. You got to say Steve Paisley Jordan.

>> Steve Jordahl: They have. And, people come by the, by the studio here.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: Paisley.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Steve Jordahl: So I keep saying we need to get some gear. We need to. AFA needs to get some Paisley gear.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Paisley gear. Yeah, we could, we could single handedly bring back the Paisley.

>> Steve Jordahl: We could, yeah, we could get some awesome, awesome listeners that could help us.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Can you imagine if we had. I don't know if it's even possible. Is it possible to have paisley T

>> Steve Jordahl: shirts, a hat or some kind of a paisley. Maybe even a regular T shirt with just a paisley paisley design on pocket or something classy. Ah, look. Or something. Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right. Hey, get to work on that.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yes, sir. I have been given a direction from the Vice President. I can do this.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, what, what do you want to talk about, Steve?

President Trump suggested letting Syria take care of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon

>> Steve Jordahl: yesterday we, spent a good deal of our time talking a little bit about President Trump and his comments. I, know you guys dealt a lot with President Trump and his comments on Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu. We started yesterday, my section here, segment here with him talking about, his being upset with their bombing of Lebanon and the fact that he said let Syria go in and finish the job with Lebanon.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I didn't understand that yesterday.

>> Steve Jordahl: it was confusing to me too. it seemed like the biggest, you know, dis. That's what the kids are saying, in the world. I mean to, say we're going to let this Arab country do your, you know, security work for you. And, I guess I have to preface this by saying that Israel has not signed off on this idea. But I found out yesterday in talking with one of our good, close friends. A little bit of background on it. First, let me remind you what we're talking about. This is President Trump talking about Syria finishing the job. Cut. 3. Israel is fighting Hezbollah too long and

>> Ed Vitagliano: too many people are being killed. And you don't have to knock down an apartment house every time you're looking for somebody. And I suggested to Israel to let Syria take care of Hezbollah because, to

>> Steve Jordahl: be honest with you, I think they'd do job of doing it. And Syria, what in the world were we wondering?

>> Ed Vitagliano: I was confused by that.

>> Steve Jordahl: I kind of was too. we said as much. So I had a discussion yesterday with our good, Our good friend Gary Bauer of American Values, a, story running today on American Family Radio. And you'll find, I believe this [email protected] and he said that discussions about this kind of a thing have been going on for a little bit. let's listen to Cut.

>> Frank Gaffney: I think the exchange on Syria is being completely misunderstood, and a lot of it involves what is happening behind the scenes. For weeks and weeks and weeks in Washington, people have been talking about an idea that has been floated by multiple countries, including Lebanon. But Israel cannot go in and occupy part of Lebanon in order to get Hezbollah out. That would end up turning the entire Lebanese population against Israel. There has been going on for quite some time a conversation about whether elements in Syria, with the cooperation of the Lebanese government, could work together to take out Hezbollah.

>> Steve Jordahl: Now, Syria was Bashar Al Assad's stronghold. He was a dictator there. And, when, Iran fell, so did he, basically. And he's been replaced by somebody that,

>> Ed Vitagliano: When Iran fell.

>> Steve Jordahl: What do you mean, when Iran. When we, When Iran fell? When we, first started attacking Iran, when we went after their nuclear. After their, member dropped the bomb on them and we decimated their economy last summer. Yeah, the money to support Bashar Al Assad dried up, and his support dried up, and he fled to, I believe, Moscow. And there was another person that has replaced him. And Donald Trump says he gets along fine with this new, Syrian, leader. And, he's kind of comparing it to Delsey Rodriguez in Venezuela, who's, Venezuelan, but doing, our work there because she's under pressure to do our work. Anyway, so there's a relationship there. And, they've been talking about letting, for the reasons that Gary just mentioned, letting Syria go in and take care of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. The only thing I'll add to this, and then you guys can go here is that Israel has not been a part of those discussions. M. And that I looked yesterday, as far as I could see, they have not commented on the possibility, specifically of Iran going into southern Lebanon. But Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli leadership have been very clear, strong, adamant that no one is going to take care of Israel's security except for Israel. They're not going to put it in anybody, Syria's or the United States hands.

Is there any indication Syria would be willing to occupy Lebanon to drive Hezbollah out

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, now, before I toss this over to Tony and we, and you can chime in too with your opinion, Steve, but let me just ask you this now. The provisional government that has been set up in Syria, okay, I think it's like a five year provisional government. is there any, is there, has there been anything in the news that indicates that Syria would be willing to go in militarily to occupy south southern Lebanon or to work with the Lebanese government to go hand in hand to drive Hezbollah out? I mean, does President Trump. Is, is there some sort of idea that that could happen in place of Israel being there?

>> Steve Jordahl: I believe and I have not. These have been, as Gary was saying, these have all been behind closed doors. Gary, followed up his statement there by saying President Trump sometimes speaks too soon or too loud or without thinking, which we all know. so. But these have been behind closed doors to my understanding is Syria has been involved in some of these and is willing to. My. So my understanding I could be wrong about that. But, it is, it has been in the, in the mix.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, there's, there's some, there's some sort of jump in here. There's some precedents for this because Syria has been dealing with Hezbollah, just from cross border attacks, and.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Into Syria.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, into Syria. And so they've launched, you know, sort, you know, small sorties, attacked Hezbollah terrorist cells and stuff in, in Lebanon. So there's some precedent for this. and, and you know, I think, I think the, the thought process behind it is kind of, what was mentioned is that in order to get rid of Hezbollah, you are going to have to go into, to get rid of them completely. You'll have to go in, into Lebanon enough to uproot them and weaken them enough to where maybe the people and the Lebanese military, which a lot of people don't know. Lebanon does have a military.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.

>> Tony Vitagliano: it's just subordinate to whatever Hezbollah.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.

>> Tony Vitagliano: You know, actually they can't do it on their own so enough to weaken them so that maybe, you know, the Lebanese military, and the people can Push Hezbollah out and, and remove them. I think it's just the reality is that in that part of the world there is rampant anti Semitism. People just hate the Jews. No matter what country you're in that surrounds them, there is a distrust and a hatred for Jewish people in Israel. So I think the point is that if Israel, you know, Israel probably could go in enough at some point, it would be hard. it wouldn't be easy, but they could probably go in at some point if their focus was solely on Lebanon and Hezbollah and uproot Hezbollah. But the people themselves, the Lebanese people may not be receptive of that and they may not like that. Whereas if Syria is going in to clean up, you know, and probably working with Israeli intelligence or Israeli forces to a degree, then maybe the people would be more accepting of that.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, and I would say, I would also, add to that that, And I assume Gary Bauer is right. I, assume you're right, Tony. About what. What the Lebanese people would accept vis a vis Israelis being in their country. Okay. That you're probably going to get better intelligence from the Lebanese speaking to Syrians.

>> Steve Jordahl: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: About who is a member of Hezbollah.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Than you would have if Israelis are asking for that information because of that anti Semitism and that hatred of, Israelis. So I, I kind of, although I didn't understand it when I heard it yesterday, I kind of like President Trump's idea here that if you could get a kind of a coalition with, between Syria, and Lebanon to uproot and drive out Hezbollah and maybe even have some sort of a peacekeeping force involving the Syrians, that would go. That would probably work better. But on the other hand, Steve, you can't tell the Israelis what to do. And they probably may be lacking some of that intelligence from the Lebanese. They probably figure they have to flatten buildings. That's what they had to do in Gaza. And maybe that's the only way they can, can get to get rid of Hezbollah without knowing who's a member of that terrorist organization.

>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, I mentioned yesterday that, they're based on their war in, in Gaza. They have, among urban warfare examples, they have the lowest civilian death rate in warfare history by far.

>> Ed Vitagliano: you mean in that kind of

>> Steve Jordahl: house, urban house to house. Ah, fighting. they have consistently set their soldiers in. To danger where a bomb could have just done the job.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Right.

>> Steve Jordahl: But they've to. To spare civilians. And we know that the, the Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis in Syria, by the way too, are More than willing to use their, civilians, their children as, as human shields. So it's a lose, lose situation sometimes for that. And the only other thing I'd say is as far as collecting intelligence, I would not, downplay Israel's ability to know who is in, who is Hezbollah and who's not even.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And know, who's going to get a visit from a cruise missile while they're eating their corn flakes.

>> Steve Jordahl: Right, right. So, Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, well, listen, I like the idea floated, Trump. Who knows if it, if it's, going to sit well with Netanyahu and

>> Steve Jordahl: context, what he said.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it does give some context to it.

This next story is difficult for adult years, much less children

All right, what next?

>> Steve Jordahl: All right, listen, we need to, let our listeners know here, parents, if you have kids that are listening. We love, for families to listen here. I hope they learn a lot about world affairs. but this next story is going to be a little difficult for adult years, much less children.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Grim.

>> Steve Jordahl: Very. I hate to do this, but this is such an important story. And so I'm going to ask, if you have young children or children that are sensitive to, this kind of thing, this is about sexual abuse that you, find some other, activity for them, for the next 20 minutes or so.

The official report from England on the gang rape crisis is out

Well, I don't know how long it's going to take, but we have the official report from England on the gang rape crisis over there. It's taken a long time to get out, but for decades, young white girls, and the racist is important here, as we will get into, have been groomed and plied and kidnapped and raped, with impunity, by Muslim men in England. And the report is out. And this is what the report found. At the very least, 250,000 young white girls have been subjected to repeated rape, gang rape, trafficking, torture, pregnancy, forced Islamic conversion, lifelong trauma. And the number is probably higher. Let me get through several of these points here in court records and official inquiries. Around 87% of those convicted, in these groups based on child sex exploitation bore distinctively Muslim names. The vast majority of the men involved in these gangs were not convicted. These are Muslim men that have been brought before the court and given a pass. they started finding, out that there was a problem. they started making a comprehensive list of grooming gang convictions in 1997. So from, for about 30 years this has been going on at least. While the largest rape gangs were operated by Pakistani Muslims, smaller groups from Somalia, Iran, Syria, Turkey and other Muslim origins were involved. Listen to this. The report goes on to say that these gangs were religiously motivated to carry out these rapes under the theological teaching of Al Walla Walbarra, which demands subjugation of the infidel, including sex slavery as a form of subjugation. These men claimed their faith allowed them to do this, and oftentimes several times at least, their wives were complicit in this. They found unspeakable crimes incurred in at least 149 local authority districts, close to 40% of all the districts across the United Kingdomnomics. these gang rapes, rape gangs were active. The horrific crimes have only escalated in recent decades. Ah, they found that, this has been almost exclusively helped and furthered by the Labor Party, the Liberals, the Democrats, their version of the Democrats. The horrific crimes have only escalated in recent decades, especially following Tony Blair's 1997 victory and the start of the orchestrated mass immigration. Perpetrators built organized networks that transported victims between towns and cities and passed girls between multiple men, adult men. Police forces ignored repeated reports, criminalized the victims instead of the perpetrators, destroyed evidence, allowed known rapists to walk free, retaliated against whistleblowers. It was going on in public schools. Girls as young as 13 pregnancies. School officials observed older men collecting the girls at the gates after school and did nothing. So they found specifically Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, and Keir Starmer, the current mayor of London. knew about these, had documentation of evidence of these and buried it and denied it and lied about it so

>> Ed Vitagliano: that they wouldn't be accused of being racist.

>> Steve Jordahl: So they wouldn't be accused of being racist or. Yeah.

>> Ed Vitagliano: or Islamophobic.

>> Steve Jordahl: so this is just one. The testimonies in here are horrific and we can't read them. But I will read this one report. Anna was living in a children's home in Bradford in 2002. From the age of 13, she was raped and abused while in the home. And at 15, she was forced into a Sharia marriage. Her social worker attended the marriage ceremony.

Steve Matter: UK officials who let this slide ought to go to prison

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, okay. First of all, let me ask this. Steve, do we have a article that's, on, afn.net that's going to be coming on?

>> Steve Jordahl: I'm working the story today. It should be up tomorrow or.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Okay, good.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right. And folks, if you want to find out more on this, I know this is. That was very grim to hear what Steve was saying. Infuriating. you can just simply type in, I just checked UK gang rape report and information on this will come up. the inquiry asserts that 87 to 95% of perpetrators were of Pakistani Muslim heritage. You've already noted, Steve, that this was

>> Steve Jordahl: religiously motivated and justified.

>> Ed Vitagliano: And justified. Tony, I, I don't. Personally, I think that UK officials who let this slide ought to go to prison. but I, I do not know. Two things. I don't know why dads weren't, weren't killing these people in the streets, these perpetrators. I also don't know why the UK is not on fire right now. I'm not sure where the men are. We're starting to see, I think some of the protests and riots in different places. I think there was one in. Was it Northern Ireland or Belfast? Belfast, yeah. I think some people are getting tired of it. But part of the problem is that the UK government has been threatening UK citizens with, with criminal reprisals. If they even talk about this kind of thing.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Yep. Look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna sum this up with just a couple of messages to the. Really, to our listeners predominantly, who are here in the United States. Don't ever adopt. We cannot allow socialism to ever be adopted nationwide in any capacity where the government is your sole provider of, of everything, Health care, you know, housing, whatever, whatever it may be. because when you are completely dependent on the government, you are more likely to subjugate yourself and to do whatever they say at the risk of the government removing things or coming after you. I think a lot of this goes, A lot of this falls at the feet of the people of the uk. I mean, the, the officials. Yeah, of course. I mean, they should be arrested, obviously. But the, the people have continued to vote for these people. They have continued to accept restriction after restriction. You know, that extra. That accelerated with COVID You know, we. Excuse me, sir. Not police knocking on doors. Excuse me, sir. We saw you posted something, you know, where you seemed a little upset. Book. We want to talk to you about that or we're going to arrest you. You know, that, that type of thing. They've accepted this and this is what you get. So a totalitarian regime, which is in my opinion, what the UK government is at this point, a totalitarian regime is not concerned about protecting the people so much as it is concerned about, protecting groups that benefit them with either their votes or whatever else they can provide them. so that's the first thing. That was kind of a broad point. The second thing is, folks, I don't know how often we do this. Don't ever give up your guns. Don't ever give up your guns so that you're with a group of people in the street while a man is attacking. I'll keep it clean. Attacking another man, with a knife so that you have, you have no choice but to either step in and intervene, physically, hand to hand. don't ever give up your, your guns in this because this is what happens. I assure you, if there was a second amendment in the uk, I don't think the government would be as bold as it is now, decades and decades later. and there would be far more recourse for the people, to take matters into their own hands than they have right now. I just, it's kind of astounding to me. I'm kind of with you, dad. you know, as a father, I don't know. I would have probably done something very radical at this point if I had tried and brought this to police and police didn't do anything. Matter of fact, they're threatening me. I'm surprised there haven't been more reports of radicalization going the other way than there is right now. And I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not justifying violence against innocent people. I'm just very surprised that they're. We're. That you. Like you said, it's not on fire. I mean, well, and I will

>> Ed Vitagliano: say this, it radicalized in the other direction is not a panacea either.

>> Tony Vitagliano: No.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay, but that's to your point, that's why you can't surrender the rights you have when you've got them.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Correct.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Because then the alternatives are equally grim.

>> Tony Vitagliano: Right.

>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, and so, well said. I, folks, I'll say something else here. You can never, never allow Islam to become a, a, I don't want to say pretending because, yes, gaining a foothold in terms of this kind of Sharia oriented behavior where they say we can break your laws because our laws say we can. You can never allow that in, in your country.

>> Steve Jordahl: That's the heart of Islam, by the way.

>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes, it is.

>> Tony Vitagliano: It is.

>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, folks, more great programming directly ahead on American Family Radio. Lord willing, we'll see you right back here for more of today's issues.