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>> Tony Vitagliano: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
American Family Radio Network hosts Steve Paisley Jordal on Today's Issues
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to afr. I'm Tim Wildmon with Tony Vitagliano. And now Steve Paisley Jordal.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody is with us.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good morning, brother Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: I am with you.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, had, some, visitors from Laurel, Mississippi stop by, to see us. And, we, have folks drive by almost on a daily basis. Tony.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, we do.
>> Tony Vitagliano: We have a lot of people come and, do tours and come see us and. Yeah, it's always encouraging to meet our supporters and listeners.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen. Well, and a lot of it picks up in the summer because a lot of people are traveling.
>> Tony Vitagliano: That's right. That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: On vacation and such. And have, an opportunity to come by and see us. If you're gonna do that, we need to know in advance, right?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, Yep. Yeah, I'll, I'll get that, information here in just a second.
>> Tim Wildmon: We'd like to know so we can make plans, you know, when we're open. We're open five days a week, but, sometimes on Friday we aren't open on the afternoon.
>> Tony Vitagliano: So you can go. If you want to schedule a visit to come, to our campus, you can go to afa.netvisits, that's afa.netforward/visits. Fill out a little bit information so we know who you are. And, our ladies up front, Deanna and Carmen do an excellent job coordinating that. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yep. So we'll give you a tour. Just gotta sign up for it.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Just gotta sign up for it.
Steve: I wanted to share one of my favorite worship songs
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Steve, what's happening?
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, I just wanted to, I heard you guys doing a deep dive into worship songs, the last hour, and I wanted to.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, you go ahead. What do you know about this?
>> Steve Jordahl: I wanted to share one of my favorite ones.
>> Tim Wildmon: You go ahead.
>> Steve Jordahl: I hope this brings you as much hope as it does me. Cut 14.
>> Steve Jordahl: This is the first verse of the worship song song, the Words are simple so sing along along I am terrible but he is able. It's incred. This song's relatable. Life's got me down I'm at the end of my rose here's an out of context Bible verse about hope. This is the chorus. We're lifting our voices loud and triumphant we're singing the chorus. It's repetitive. It's repetitive. It's repetitive. All my problems are gone
>> Tim Wildmon: did you pull that from.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, I, that might be a bad one. I don't know.
>> Tony Vitagliano: I've heard that one before.
>> Tim Wildmon: You've heard that one before.
>> Tony Vitagliano: coming, coming to us Sunday service near you folks.
>> Tim Wildmon: Little mockery there of, contemporary, some of, some of, some of the contemporary worship, songs. Right.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tony Vitagliano: And I, I, I wanted to say this one thing I admire because I didn't grow up again, I didn't grow up with the hymns. I grew up in, evangelical, ah, more charismatic, church. But I, I just have so much
>> Tony Vitagliano: respect for the lyrical depth of the hymns.
>> Tony Vitagliano: M, as you know, chances. I've gotten to sing them and read through them, oh my goodness, they were, just powerful, powerful lyrics.
>> Steve Jordahl: My seminary professor told me, that the second greatest book of theology a layman will ever hold in their hands outside, second to the Bible is the hymnal.
>> Tony Vitagliano: That's, that's, that's powerful.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
It's almost impossible to give a death toll from the earthquake in Venezuela
>> Steve Jordahl: You guys were also talking about earthquakes. I know that, they were kind of continuing to follow the earthquake in, in, Venezuela. It's almost impossible at this point to give you a death toll because it's going to be climbing and climbing as they start digging people out. So it's in the hundreds, it's going to be in the thousands, hopefully not much more. not multiple thousands, but we'll see. so the way that they grade earthquakes on a magnitude scale is each number, it's a logarithmic scale. So each number is 10 times powerful than the previous number. Okay, so if you have a two, a three is ten times more powerful. That's not, if a two is just a minor shake, then a three, ten times more is just when you get up to the big numbers. You mentioned a five that was in the Bay Area not too long ago. The seven that they had in Venezuela twice is a hundred times more powerful than a 5.0 earthquake. And not only that, but the energy it releases is a thousand times more.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, that's why when they have one off the like, the coast of Japan or somewhere, they're always on the Lookout for, tsunamis, because it just stirs the ocean. I mean, imagine that power being released, stirring up the ocean.
>> Steve Jordahl: The Sevens are monsters. M. They are monsters.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, we'll keep praying for the people of Venezuela.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, and the 7.2 is the number they gave to the, 2 and 7.25, I think.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, there was 7.2 and then a 7.5 right after that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Which.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, just, you know, last night I was watching, when I heard the news and, you know, I saw the news about it, I turned over to CNN and to Fox, both to. And both of them were like an hour delayed because of an hour delay getting a live feed from Venezuela because the earthquakes, I mean, the infrastructure, the power lines, cell towers, nothing, was, you know, nothing was working. Right. So maybe they're getting some pictures and video today, but,
>> Steve Jordahl: It looks like a bomb went off.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, exactly. I was about to say it looked like it had been bombed. Parts of that city where the buildings collapsed.
Dominion Voting Systems drops defamation suit against Mike Lindell over 2020 allegations
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right, just, ah, an update here. There's something you might want to take note of. The company that's formerly known as Dominion Voting Systems, the people that had the, voting machines in the 2020 elections, have agreed to drop a 1.3 billion dollar defamation suit against Mike Lindell. That's the MyPillow guy. they, they sued him in 2021, alleging that, there was no evidence to support his cons. What they called conspiracy theories. But, they were acquired by a conservative, ah, group that opened the books. Okay, so we're getting a little bit of insight into what might have happened in the 2020 election. We can go over this later or at a different day, but, they're finding that ballots exceeded voters in several states. Fictitious ballots. So, that story is not done. If anybody cares to follow what happened in 2020, the story's not over. but.
>> Tony Vitagliano: So. So he will still, look at a few details on it. So, obviously each. Each party will, have to account for their own attorney's fees and everything, which is, you know, significant. Significant, especially for an individual. so Mike Lindell's, you know, he's probably.
>> Tim Wildmon: I've heard his story. I heard him. I heard him. Mike, Lindell, AKA the pillar guy. I heard him speak at a, conference about five years ago, and he gave his testimony about how he was basically a strung out druggie, about, you know, could have easily died and, got saved.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Pretty powerful testimony.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, it is. Got saved. And Jesus Christ turned his whole life and world around and he had this idea about, you know, pillows and it was one of those great American success stories. And so, he's based out of Minneapolis area. And anyways, it was a wonderful story, to hear the testimony that he had. I don't know. He got deeply involved in the, aftermath of the 2020 election.
>> Steve Jordahl: He did. And believed that it was a stolen election.
>> Tim Wildmon: that's what, that's what he got sued for by Dominion.
>> Steve Jordahl: By Dominion and ah, Smartmatic also sued him. He settled with them earlier.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. So they, those he accused, basically. Didn't he accuse those companies of being in collusion with the Democrats or something?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Pretty much, yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Without vote tallies were not accurate.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Correct. Votes were being changed. They changed electronically, remotely. So it says in October 2025, former Republican election official Scott Leon Decker bought Dominion and rebranded it as Liberty Vote. So, you know, again, I'm can't get into all the details of, of the case, but it seems that that may have also factored into you know, the suit being dropped.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm glad it's over for him, you know, I hate to see him go bankrupt. yeah, I don't know if he ever did or not. But All right, go ahead, Steve.
For the first time a child under 12 was killed by euthanasia
Next story.
>> Steve Jordahl: Wherever there is euthanasia legalized, it always goes too far. This is the most pernicious, thing. They say it's medical. Well, they have found that in Netherlands. In the Netherlands, as officials are giving their year end report, their minister, Sophie Hermans presented the annual report to the committee. And she revealed that there was for the first time a child under the age of 12 that was killed by euthanasia, was purposefully killed. His child was ill. And who, who can.
>> Tony Vitagliano: So who authorized that?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, well, it, it has to be approved by the parents. It has to be approved by two doctors. Under Dutch law, parents must be consulted. The child must be suffering what they say is unbearably in there.
Tim Ferriss: I don't believe in euthanasia for pets
>> Tim Wildmon: Let me ask you guys a question. Okay. All right. I'm asking this question as just to get your thoughts on it. I know as soon as I ask this question, there are going to be a lot of people going, what? Why is Tim even asking this question? I'm repulsed by that. This doesn't mean I agree with the, whatever you think I may agree with on this. Let me just say I believe in human life is sacred and, and God wants us to help people, who are in, you know, to the end of life, natural death. I Mean, that's why we have Christian support, hospice, and have a lot of, you know, so I'm a believer in medical treatment and prayer and helping people live as long as they possibly can, even though they may be suffering physically. So I don't believe in. I don't believe in euthanasia. Okay. I don't believe in that. however, I want to ask you this question. If we put our pets down because they're suffering and we call that. And that's considered to be humane. Am I right?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: then what's the difference between that and a family member who's suffering excruciating pain and they're going to die anyway in the next few days? I'm just. I'm throwing the question out. No, if you say, I don't have a. I don't have a thought about that and I don't have an answer, I do, then that's fine, too. But I just wanted to ask that question. Go ahead.
>> Steve Jordahl: From my perspective, pets are not made in the image of God, so they do not bear the image of God. you talk to ethicists, you talk to medical people, and they will tell you that God's grace, what you learn about God and what you learn about humanity in the last moments of life are irreplaceable and that we don't have. The Bible says that our days are numbered to the last second. my pet's days are not numbered by God to the last second, even though he does know, when the sparrow falls or when I put my dog to sleep if I have to. He, has a purpose for our lives, and he's teaching us things through life and death and natural death. And then the second thing is, like, I'm, reporting here, every single time that you pass a law that says it's legal to put someone to death via euthanasia, that law is abused every time, which to me is kind of an indication that to begin with, it's being used by the enemy, by Satan, who specializes in death and lying.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, I agree with Steve. I think I forget who it was who, said this quote, maybe multiple people, maybe was GK Chesterton. The quote essentially was, life is, Life is precious, even when it is sad. So the qualifier for life being valuable and precious should not be based on what's going on in a person's life, because there are people who also get so wrapped up in depression and, you know, mental and, emotional anxiety and sadness that they also feel like life isn't worth living. So the qualifier, the qualifier for that shouldn't be the amount of suffering that someone is, is going through. now, you know, again, don't let me, don't mistake me. I understand, that the people who are you know, in situations where they are suffering physically, I understand how debilitating that is and I'm not taking away from that suffering. But to Steve's point, and the
>> Tony Vitagliano: kind of, the way I view it is that we are created in the image of God and we've been given this life. And until, until the end, God, is showing us and teaching us and our lives are precious, no matter what phase, season of life we're in.
>> Tim Wildmon: So what about a pet?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Well, I mean, pets, I love, I've got a dog. She was getting up there in years
>> Tony Vitagliano: and you know, the time may come
>> Tony Vitagliano: where I have to do something for, for her to put her down. but Steve's point, I mean, as precious as that dog is, it's that dog's not created in the image of God and that dog does not have a soul. and you know, God's plan for my dog, I don't, you know, if you could call it that. I mean, is, is not the same as God's plan for me or this 12 year old who was euthanized.
>> Tim Wildmon: But you always hear people say this, I'm glad they're not having to suffer anymore.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: In other words, I'm glad they died.
>> Tim Wildmon: And somebody who would be a proponent of euthanasia might say, well you could have endured that suffering three weeks ago, if you did. Only you see what you see the, the question.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't believe God has any restrictions on us making the end of life easier for someone.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: In other words, there is a lot of good pain relieving and m. Misery relieving medication.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know.
>> Steve Jordahl: so no one should have to suffer unbearable pain through the end of life. There are ways in today's modern medicine to euthanasia, short of euthanasia, where you don't determine the end God has.
>> Tim Wildmon: I agree with you guys. I just wanted to ask questions that a lot of people, I have asked myself that question before. I go, well, wait a minute. I'm for putting my dog down. I haven't had to do that. But to put, well, one dog. Yeah.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: because I say in the name of not having them suffer.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: But for the human, no, they got to suffer well.
>> Tony Vitagliano: And it's good to confront that question as Christians because As Steve points out, this is going to be, more and more. Probably more and more accepted, not just in, you know, the Netherlands and in European countries, but at some point, we'll have to tackle this issue in our own country.
One of the first to advocate for assisted suicide was Dr. Jack Kevorkian
>> Tim Wildmon: I never will forget reading a story. You remember when Dr. Kevorkin was in the news?
>> Steve Jordahl: I do.
>> Tim Wildmon: You may not remember that name.
>> Tony Vitagliano: I've heard the name.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Doctor.
>> Tim Wildmon: Dr. Jack Kevorkian, I think was his name. He was, I think, a Michigan physician, and he was, the. One of the first to advocate for assisted suicide.
>> Steve Jordahl: Not only advocate, but perform.
>> Tim Wildmon: Perform assisted suicide. So I think I got this facts of the story correct, but I think it was him. But it may not have been him, but it was somebody who did what he did there. You know, just like that. So there was this lady who thought she had cancer, and she traveled from some Midwestern state to California, I think it was to California. Again, this is not the ultimate point of why I'm telling this, but she traveled to wherever this was legal to do in the US There was one or two places.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oregon, Washington, several of the states. I don't think California.
>> Tim Wildmon: She traveled there so that Dr. Keborkian or someone like him could do the, Could. Could kill her with. With, a drug, you know, inject a drug. I don't. I don't know how you assist her in suicide.
>> Steve Jordahl: Correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, they did an autopsy of her, only to learn that the cancer was not as extensive as she had been told and she would have lived. Likelihood she would have, you know, it wasn't, a, ah, hopeless situation. So after I read that, I going, wow, that's, you know, go ahead.
>> Tony Vitagliano: And that is. That's why it comes down to a. In my opinion, a spiritual. It's a spiritual matter because a person who this life is. Feels like this life is all they have. and if they're faced with the prospect of, you know, dying or suffering. Suffering with cancer, Suffering with cancer, they. They have. Have no hope of any life beyond this right of. Of salvation.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right?
>> Tony Vitagliano: And so they automatically fall into this dark place where they're overtaken by, you know, the grief and sadness of losing this life.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Not the.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Not the joy, and expectation of getting to go be with Christ, you know, to. To. To go experience, eternal life. So then. Then they just. They. They enter this dark place and they. They jump. In this. In this instance, poor lady jumped the gun, so to speak, right? Thought, oh, this is over. I know there's no. I have Nothing to live for. So I'm just gonna go do this in my own way. And. And you know, the.
>> Steve Jordahl: One of the abuses they're seeing in England quite often is the people are being pressured into taking advantage of what they call. They call it maid. Medical assistance in dying. And, because it's financially much less burdensome on the state, you free up a bed in the hospital. their socialized medicine is in deep financial trouble. And I keep reading of people who go in for one condition or the other and are offered to this medical assistance in dying made, when they don't think it's appropriate. I want to fight this thing. No, if you're depressed, I know you're depressed, so you just can't. It just never stays in the box.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, I agree.
Images starting to appear of rabbits with horns growing out of their heads
>> Tim Wildmon: You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Tim, Tony and Steve. Go ahead, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: They might have found the jackalope.
>> Steve Jordahl: All right.
>> Steve Jordahl: You've seen those, haven't you? The jackalope. Those are the, jackrabbits with horns. Yeah, they, that you find in.
>> Tony Vitagliano: I've seen living rooms.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Texas gas station.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah, I've seen them everywhere, actually. Usually not. Stuff.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, in Wisconsin and Minnesota and NewSong York, they have, Images and pictures are starting to appear of rabbits with horns growing out of the back of their heads. I've seen some of these pictures. In fact, we can, send this to, Brent, and he can put these pictures up on our, Facebook page if. If he wants to. And, you can see. So these are tentacles and horns sprouting out of the rabbits.
>> Tim Wildmon: This the COVID vaccine.
>> Tony Vitagliano: I was gonna make that joke, Tim. I was gonna make it.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I beat you to it.
>> Tony Vitagliano: You beat me to it.
>> Tim Wildmon: I was not quick enough, so.
>> Steve Jordahl: But they are infected with the cottontail papillomavirus.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, wow. You get the cotton. What'd you say? Cotton Cottage.
>> Steve Jordahl: Cottontail papilloma.
>> Tim Wildmon: Cpv.
>> Tony Vitagliano: The old cpv.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tony Vitagliano: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hope you get the cotton tail papillonavirus. you can get that off a tree, too. I don't know if you know this. Huh?
>> Tony Vitagliano: well, the euthanasia truck just pulls up. Rabbit who has CPV can just.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's time to go.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Time to go.
>> Tim Wildmon: Time to go.
>> Steve Jordahl: They have horns.
>> Tim Wildmon: No. You're serious? You got these rabbits that are. And they're expanding. Their populations expanded. They got. They call them Frankenstein.
>> Steve Jordahl: They call them Frankenstein rabbits because of the picture. The horns that grow out right between their ears. it looks like a. Like a.
>> Tim Wildmon: But is This a sort of a new species or.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's a cancerous growth on a rabbit.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, but they're. But they're getting a lot of them, but they don't know why. It's what's causing it. Right.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know if I'm in
>> Tim Wildmon: Wisconsin and where in Minnesota and NewSong York?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Okay. This one has a collar.
>> Tony Vitagliano: It says property of Fauci.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, all right. Well, Minnesota, Where? Wisconsin.
>> Steve Jordahl: In NewSong York, I think. I read in the first year.
>> Tim Wildmon: This is a good excuse to kick them out of the union, I think.
>> Steve Jordahl: Are they in the union?
>> Tim Wildmon: I think NewSong York. We need.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, get rid of them.
>> Tim Wildmon: You see what they just did?
>> Tony Vitagliano: Disease.
>> Tim Wildmon: Minnesota. I think they're salvageable, but, I don't know about NewSong York. I'm just kidding, folks. It's, But the rabbits, they do. They do have horns.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tony Vitagliano: So is this disease lethal to them, or do they just keep going on with it or until maybe the.
>> Steve Jordahl: I can't. I don't know. I don't think it's good.
Steve's not an expert yet on Frankenstein rabbits, but he's taking classes
>> Tim Wildmon: Steve's not an expert yet.
>> Steve Jordahl: I'm getting there. I'm taking my veterinarian degree right now.
>> Tim Wildmon: He's taking classes, so give him a few months, and he'll be able to answer your question.
>> Tony Vitagliano: The Frankenstein rabbit.
>> Tim Wildmon: The Frankenstein rabbit's what they're calling it in any way. It's, Their numbers are growing like rabbits.
>> Tony Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Up in the Midwest in NewSong York. All right, everybody, we're out of time. It's probably a good thing. And, we shall see you back here tomorrow for trivia Friday on.
>> Steve Jordahl: On,
>> Tim Wildmon: On this show. Sam.
