>> Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio 20. American Family Radio 24 and a half more minutes of this year's show to go today. I'm Tim Wildmon with Ed Vitagliano and Wesley Wildmon. And now, Steve Jordow joined us. Good morning, brother Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Good morning, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: So you got, for those who are watching on the Internet, Steve's not wearing paisley today. Is that a piano shirt?
>> Steve Jordahl: It is a piano shirt, except that Ed ruined it for me by looking and saying that these look like syringes to him at one point.
>> Tim Wildmon: They do look like syringes.
>> Steve Jordahl: This is a piano shirt. I'm going to see one of my favorite bands of all time tonight.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Who's that?
>> Steve Jordahl: Chicago.
>> Tim Wildmon: Chicago.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's still around Chicago?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah, they're playing at the, the. The center here in Tupelo.
>> Tim Wildmon: I thought they were playing Saturday in the park.
>> Steve Jordahl: They are playing Saturday in the park, but I. I didn't have tickets to that one.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm going tonight, so. So Chicago's in Tupelo tonight.
>> Steve Jordahl: Chicago is in Tupelo tonight.
>> Tim Wildmon: Somehow I missed that. Well, but they are. They're for those in bands of 70s music that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Are they sold out?
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I mean, not that I'm going Chicago okay with me, but I preferred Boston.
>> Steve Jordahl: I don't think they're touring anymore, though. If you want really good seats for this show tonight, I think the bottom row, front, bottom level is like 400 bucks a ticket. So we're going to be sitting up a lot higher than that tonight.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, you were wearing the piano shirt, and I thought maybe it was Billy Joel's birthday or something.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No Piano Man.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, I have a Billy Joel song. story to tell at some point, but not today.
>> Tim Wildmon: Was talking to Davies in the Navy.
>> Steve Jordahl: It's and probably will be for life.
This letter comes from Chicago Betty in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
>> Tim Wildmon: All right. You're listening to Today's Issues, not Casey Kasem. I'm Casey Kasem. This letter comes from. From Chicago Betty in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. She writes. All right, don't get me started. I got myself.
>> Ed Vitagliano: We don't have to.
>> Tim Wildmon: I know. I got.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Just. You just do it.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got myself started.
>> Steve Jordahl: He's self.
>> Tim Wildmon: Starting starter. our whole conversation the last five minutes means nothing to Wesley.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You notice?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Or probably anybody else listening.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Do you notice there were no even background laughs from me? Because I have no idea.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, I know Piano Man. You Know song, Piano.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I know that song. Piano Man.
>> Steve Jordahl: Are you familiar with Chicago?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes. Yeah, I am familiar with that. After that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Other than that, nothing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. so Steve is here and, we won't.
Video shows canine being used by police officer to sniff out suspected shooter
All right, folks, you may remember seeing, you probably saw this. Most of America did. There was a video of, the lobby of the Hilton hotel in Washington D.C. where the White House correspondence dinner was taking place. And the gunman, the would be assassin, running through the lobby. Well, one of those videos shows a, canine being used by a police officer. And the canine, the dog is, is sniffing something and he's he assuming it's he, maybe a she, kind of. I would say it appears to be on to the shooter. Okay. But the police officer doesn't acknowledge the dog doing that for some reason. That's what I saw watching on the video. I'm sure there's things I don't know or understand.
Chuck Bond has experience working with dogs and police work
Well, to help us with this is, Chuck Baughan. Chuck serves as our assistant director of security here at AFA and AFR and has experience working with dogs and police work. Is that right, Chuck?
>> Chuck Bunn: Yes, sir. I was able to serve as a K9 handler for three years during my 25 years in law enforcement.
>> Tim Wildmon: Tell us, start from the beginning in terms of, how a, dog. What dogs do police officers most use, what kinds of dogs and what is the chief purpose of their work?
>> Chuck Bunn: The most common breeds that you see today with law enforcement are German Shepherds and Belgian Malinois. law enforcement uses dual purpose dogs. One reason is for cost efficiency. A dual purpose dog is a dog that performs multiple tasks such as tracking, narcotics detection, article search, apprehension, and also, in today's world over the last 20 years, since 9, 11, bomb detection. Now when you get into a more, sanitized area like airports where you have multiple people, different ages. You see, law enforcement in airports use dogs that are not as aggressive. They're usually smaller dogs because they're in close proximity people and they're not dual purpose. Those are single purpose dogs. And they're primarily used for narcotics to try to catch traffickers coming through the airport through luggage. You see, that's where you usually run into.
>> Tim Wildmon: Ed, go ahead.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I was just going to say some of my favorite videos to watch at lunchtime. Besides hockey highlights are the dogs used for apprehension. Just when I see someone running and a dog just. They're phenomenal dogs. You don't realize how fast and aggressive they are till they're chasing someone down but anyway.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's funny, huh? Well, listen, if that's somebody's life who's gone wrong.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That is true.
>> Tim Wildmon: And. And it's sad, really.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It is. It is sad. But it's also.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I don't feel bad for bad guys.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's also fun. And you know what? Once they're out, quote unquote apprehended, they can get their lives right. And sometimes that's what it takes, Tim. To get someone back on the right track is to be chased by a hundred.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's a good. Thank you, Ed.
The Belgian Malawa looks in appearance like a shepherd, but shepherds have tendencies
>> Ed Vitagliano: Belgian mallow. Malawa mallow.
>> Tim Wildmon: Now, the German shepherds are very familiar with the southern, breed of dog you're talking about.
>> Chuck Bunn: The Belgian Malawa looks in appearance like a shepherd, but shepherds have the tendency, especially here in the south, there were. Where areas where there's a lot of heat or humidity, they're limited on their use. they overheat quickly. So Belgian Mali are usually lighter in weight, more agile, a lot faster, can work longer.
>> Steve Jordahl: The most intelligent dog breed that there
>> Chuck Bunn: is there, and they're working dogs. These are dogs that. Some people have them as pets, but you really have to work them all the time. They're not one to sit around. They get very anxious.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I've seen them climb walls.
>> Chuck Bunn: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I've seen videos of that as well, where they take off running and will climb a wall, it seems like sometimes 15ft up in the air, very agile, and jump out from that and snatch some object off a. Off a pole. That's part of training.
>> Tim Wildmon: I could do that once.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You do that once?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, when I was training. No, when I was training for the Olympics, I could do what you just described. That's been a long time ago, and I don't want to talk about it OB.
>> Ed Vitagliano: For obvious reasons.
>> Tim Wildmon: So let me ask you this, Chuck. 1. I know Wesley has a question. Maybe Steve does, too. on that video we saw in the hotel lobby that I'm talking about. You saw it?
>> Chuck Bunn: I did.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. So the police officer. I don't know. I guess he. I don't know if he was a local PD if he was Secret Service, but he had the. The dog. Don't know which. Which. Which breed. but, the dog is barking into a room. Barking or. Or sniffing over. You saw it? The dog seems to be saying, come with me. I'm on to something, but. You want to comment on that?
>> Chuck Bunn: Yeah. I did look at the video multiple times, and I guess I'd want to start with a dog's alert pattern. There Are three keys as a handler that you're trained to look for when a dog is alerting. the first is body change, usually with the head. So when a dog is working and they get into a scent cone. A scent cone, the first thing you see is their head boob, because they're moving along and they come in that scent cone and they want to draw back to it. The second alert is breathing. Their breathing becomes more intense. They start breathing in. They're trying to locate the odor. And the third to final alert would be determined if it's a passive alert dog or an aggressive. A passive alert dog is one that sits. That's the final alert to tell the handler, I have found what I'm looking for. Or aggressive would be one where you see them scratch. Like if it's in a drawer or something, they'll scratch at the drawer, trying to. Trying to get to it. So.
>> Tim Wildmon: So in this scene, you think it's inconclusive because we can't see what's in that room that the dog's barking into or.
>> Chuck Bunn: No, actually, I think when it's. In my opinion, it was human error by the handler because the dog, as the, alleged suspect, walks by, the dog turns and immediately follows him. And if you can see, the leash is fully extended, but the handler is not looking at the dog. The handler is looking over the dog at the person that just walked into the room. The dog comes back. There's no audio, so I don't know if the handler called the dog back. The dog comes back and then goes back a second time, at which time the handler again is engaged with the person. Now, whether he's speaking to the person or if he's just seeing where he goes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Suspect or a different person?
>> Chuck Bunn: Suspect. He's engaged with the suspect. We don't know what's being said or between either one of them.
>> Steve Jordahl: Chuck, what type of, contraband or what is this? what a typical dog in a hotel that's security like this. What would they be looking for? Are they smelling for gunpowder or what are they looking for?
>> Chuck Bunn: Yes. So I would think that it was probably a bomb dog. most likely because you're looking for, someone to come into that sanitized area. They're still on the dirty side of the event prior to the magnitometer.
>> Steve Jordahl: Like they haven't gone through security, right?
>> Chuck Bunn: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: This is language of law enforcement.
>> Chuck Bunn: Dirty, sanitize, dirty, clean, dirty. Is everything on the. On the outside of the magnetometer, the security, everything on the inside is clean or sanitized. So he's, he. I'd like to seen the video prior when people were coming in. I'm sure people were walking by him and the dog. And the dog was just sniffing to see if he alerted to any type of gunpowder or explosive.
>> Ed Vitagliano: How does a dog. A canine.
How does a dog tell the difference between law enforcement weapon and somebody who's criminal
dog. Canines, the unit. Right. and so how would. How does a dog tell the difference between law enforcement weapon and somebody who's a criminal?
>> Chuck Bunn: Good point. So the dog is only trained on that specific odor, whether it be marijuana or heroin or cocaine or gunpowder. He also knows as the dog is trained through repetition with the handler, the search area. So he's looking for the search area. A canine has approximately 300 million olfactory, glands that it smells through.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Wow.
>> Chuck Bunn: Where in contrast to human, only has 6 million. And a dog's makeup allows it to constantly sniff. So I think the dog, in my opinion, just from observation, they'll do an after action review of it. I'm sure they already have. Is when that suspect walks by the first time he gets a whiff of it and he wants to investigate it more.
>> Tim Wildmon: And the, and the dog handler in hindsight should have followed.
>> Chuck Bunn: should have allowed the dog investigate and continue.
>> Tim Wildmon: Let go the leash.
>> Chuck Bunn: No, you just go with the dog or stop the suspect just like he would if that person was trying to get.
>> Tim Wildmon: Suspect was running.
>> Chuck Bunn: Well, I'm talking at the very beginning.
>> Tim Wildmon: I got you.
>> Chuck Bunn: When he came by the canine and then goes into that side hallway. And then it was.
>> Tim Wildmon: There was time to do that then.
>> Chuck Bunn: Absolutely.
>> Tim Wildmon: Maybe only a few seconds, but there was time to do that.
Chuck Bond is our assistant for our security here at AFA
Wesley, you have a question for. By the way, we're talking to Chuck Baughan. Chuck is our assistant for our security here at AFA and afr. But previous to coming on staff with us, he served in law enforcement and had how many years dealing with canines?
>> Chuck Bunn: Three.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Three years out of a 25 year long career. Were you also, did you also serve in Iraq?
>> Chuck Bunn: I, after my law enforcement career, I served as a personal security specialist as a contract with the State Department for five years in Iraq.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Wesley Wildmon: So I learned a couple months back on a, on this topic, different, different story. That is it. Isn't it true that dogs are only allow or only trained for one smell?
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what he just said.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah, but, but, but that, but therefore you can't have multiple like drugs or.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I guess what I'm gonna get. If you're, if you don't know any better, I would have looked at this and gone, well, that a dog can
>> Ed Vitagliano: just smell, guns,
>> Wesley Wildmon: basically. If you see a dog in the airport, here's what happened was we were at the airport and a dog sniffed a guy and they stopped him and they went through and all the cops came. This was the Memphis airport. Come to find out that was a drug dog, not a bomb dog. That was new information to me. And so in this case, you're, you're saying that you, you would assume this is mostly a drug dog, this dog. Oh, bomb dog.
>> Chuck Bunn: Bomb dog, yes.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Gotcha. Which, which is that gunpowder as well?
>> Chuck Bunn: That's correct.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Okay.
>> Chuck Bunn: And other, when they're training them, there's other ingredients that they'll place out when they're training the dog to alert
>> Tim Wildmon: to one of, one of the questions.
Is there any role in the world of law enforcement for felines
Fred Jackson here, who will be here tomorrow. would Fred be here tomorrow?
>> Steve Jordahl: He's in the. I don't know if he's on the show. He's in, in the office.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, we got into a dog cat conversation last week, and he's pro cat, and it's very difficult. I just have to ask you, is there any role in the world of law enforcement for felines?
>> Chuck Bunn: Only if you're good about herding cats, maybe.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think, I think they're good for, like target practice for the dog.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's uncalled for it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So you asked that question not because you were trying to stir something up? No, I just as a legitimate journalistic question.
>> Tim Wildmon: When Fred's in here tomorrow, if it subject happens to come up, I can say, I have a friend who's. I won't mention your name, Chuck, who's trained dogs in law enforcement. And he says there's really no place for cats. So there in the real world, there's discrimination. animals.
Chuck says most dogs don't last long after retirement due to health issues
>> Ed Vitagliano: I do have a serious question.
>> Tim Wildmon: One more question because Steve's just chomping at the bits news.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Just, just, just a serious, a serious question. what happens to dogs when they retire? can people adopt them? Is it wise to adopt them? Do they have to be put down?
>> Chuck Bunn: Well, most dogs don't last long after retirement due to health issues. However, probably a decade or so ago, most municipalities, started allowing the handlers to adopt the dogs. And it was just a transfer through their local city council of any government equipment to, to that individual.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's good. They stay with the ones who've been handling. So what's the lifespan for a German shepherd or this dog?
>> Chuck Bunn: You're looking at, 8 to 12 years. Yeah, it just Depends on how difficult their, their tenure was.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: How many ovary glands?
>> Chuck Bunn: 300 million olfactory glands versus 6 million for a human, nose.
>> Steve Jordahl: The smell.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Thank you, Steve.
>> Chuck Bunn: I will, I will share one story where, after my K9 career, we were investigating a double murder. Three days after the murder. We had apprehended the suspect, but we could not find the murder weapon. The suspect fled on foot, probably about a half a mile to where we captured him. We brought a bomb dog up three days after the fact, started at the crime scene to where we located the suspect in a residence. He searched the field and the surrounding area, was able to recover one of the victim's personal items and the murder weapon. Three days after the fact.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow. So because of the power there, because of the gun.
>> Chuck Bunn: Gun was being used, it still had
>> Ed Vitagliano: their ability to smell those things.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's correct. Right. So the bottom line is these dogs are invaluable.
>> Chuck Bunn: They are.
>> Tim Wildmon: To the work of the, law enforcement. Yeah. Both Secret Secret Service, down to your local pd.
>> Chuck Bunn: That's great.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Well, thank you, Chuck. Appreciate it.
University of Washington women's soccer team plays under 14 boys in exhibition
Chuck Bunn, you're listening to today's issues on the American Family Radio Network. Tim Wesley and Ed here, thanks for listening to afr. Steve, what's your first story?
>> Steve Jordahl: If you needed any more proof that men and women are built differently with different, qualities, look, no further than the University of Washington women's soccer team who scheduled an exhibition game with a team of under 14 year old boys. Now this is a, college team that had, that was fresh off a Big Ten tournament win and had made it all the way to the Elite Eight. Last season it had, the schedule had it playing Seattle University, British Columbia, Gonzaga, and then this crossfire under 14 boys and they got smoked. The boys beat this woman's team seven to one.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wow. So this is, there is a lot of talk where people who defend trans women, that means a biological male who says he's a woman or a young lady, be, playing with other girls or women, say, you know, girls in high school, women in college or even professional. And their argument is there's no essential difference between the sexes, especially if the, a trans woman is in the process of transitioning. But this goes to, demonstrate that, that advantage that males have pretty significant under 14, like as you said, smoking this very good team from.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, It's a Division 1 girls college team. But that just goes to show you how unfair it is to try to say, you know, to pit. To say a. Everybody knows this yeah. Why am I saying this? This is so. This is common sense. The only people that don't believe this are the ones who deny it. who deny reality. Go ahead.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yes. But I'm. I appreciate you bringing the story in. Okay. We've seen this before in soccer. I still. I'm not gonna be happy about this until we get a more physical sport involved.
>> Tim Wildmon: I want to see girls and boys
>> Wesley Wildmon: playing football, basketball, football, because girls don't have football. So pick another sport, because that's when you're going to have hockey. Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They play.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They See where I'm going with this.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, no, I know what you're saying. No, if you had basketball. Well, you know, this is. That's why. That's what we all want. Fairness in competition. Right?
>> Wesley Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I want fairness in competition. So that's why we forever have had males versus males play males, females play females. That's just the way it is. But this transgendered movement, they want to pretend like the dudes can play with the girls, and it's somehow fair.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Go ahead. And we saw this, about, I don't know, seven or eight years ago, the Olympics. US soccer team. The younger men, 14, 15, 16 year old, played the.
>> Tim Wildmon: A women's Olympic soccer team.
>> Wesley Wildmon: They won. I was like, I shut them out. Shut them. I'm still looking for, though.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, because you.
>> Wesley Wildmon: You know what I mean? Like, if you saw them at the. If the. If the, let's say a college basketball team. This is one of the best teams by the wnba, you know.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: A high school team or high school,
>> Wesley Wildmon: even hockey is closer to football.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: I'm just saying when it. I guess if. If we can't. If this can't make CNN news here. I bet if some more physical sports will make it.
>> Chuck Bunn: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, we got three minutes. Three or four minutes left, Steve.
M. M. asks Marco Rubio what his hope is for America
>> Steve Jordahl: All right. Hey, well, you guys already talked about. Let's start on end of something kind of encouraging. You guys talked about Marco Rubio, who was taking the place, at least yesterday, of, Caroline Levitt, who's on maternity leave at the White House. And, one of the reporters at this press conference asked him what his hope was for America, and this was his answer. Cut 9.
>> Marco Rubio: My hope for America is what it's always been. I think it's the hope I hope we all share. We want it to continue to be the place where anyone from anywhere can achieve anything, where you're not limited by the circumstances of your birth, by the color of your skin, by your ethnicity. But frankly, it's a place where you are able to overcome challenges and achieve your full potential. I think that should be the goal of every country in the world, frankly. But I think in the US we're not perfect. Our history is not one the of perfection, but it's still better than anybody else's history. And ours is a story of perpetual improvement. Each generation has left the next generation of Americans freer, more prosperous, safer, and that is our goal as well. But it is a unique and exceptional country. And as we come upon this 250 year anniversary, I think we have a lot to learn and be proud of in our history. It is one of perpetual and continuous improvement where each generation has done its part to bring us closer to fulfilling the vision that the founders of this country had upon its founding.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know who wrote that for him? Did you write that for Donald Trump?
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: President Trump wrote that for Marco Rubio.
>> Chuck Bunn: He did.
>> Tim Wildmon: He didn't know this.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I did not.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm just kidding.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, that's impressive. M. That was a really good speaker.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I really like Marco Rubio. We talked about that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Earlier in the show.
>> Tim Wildmon: He just, he just did that off the top of his head.
>> Wesley Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And, anyone from anywhere can do anything.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: And he also immediately cut off anybody that would say, well, what about that thing we did wrong?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: 50 years talking about the.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Wesley Wildmon: He goes, well, again, we're not perfect.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Wesley Wildmon: But we're.
>> Tim Wildmon: Our history is better than anyone else's. What he said. Which is so true because these, these lefties act like, you know, the Americans, invented slavery.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Like our founding fathers invented slavery.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Slavery has been around since the dawn of civilization.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And guess what?
>> Wesley Wildmon: It still goes on.
>> Tim Wildmon: whites, your white Europeans enslaved other
>> Ed Vitagliano: white Europeans and Africans, Black Africans enslaved white people. That's why we, that's why we had, created the Marines, the Marine Core and our first Navy.
>> Tim Wildmon: Arabs enslaved, other Arabs who were other. So, I mean, this has been going on, around the world. And it was only the United States of America and their Christian influence and England with, William Wilberforce. Wilberforce. That was able to convince, white Christian America and white Christian Britain. The slave has got. Slavery's got to stop. And most of it was motivated by the teachings of Jesus that we should all love one another and partisan another. So anyway, that's why the United States made such progress on the area
>> Wesley Wildmon: of, progress in the correct way.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen. In the correct way. That's true.
It is Wednesday. What's today? Wednesday. May 6th
All right, everybody. Thanks for joining us today. What's today? Wednesday.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It is Wednesday. May 6th.
>> Tim Wildmon: So tomorrow we'll be back. God willing, we'll see you then.
