Tim Wildman is president of the American Family Association
>> Ed Vitagliano: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to AFR on this Tuesday, May 5th. raise here. Raised in Kansas City. Ed's here with me. Tim. We're in Tupelo, Mississippi, and Steve Jordal is three feet away. Hello from me. How you doing, brother Steve?
>> Steve Jordahl: I am well.
>> Tim Wildmon: Steve Paisley's your doctor. Before we get calls and letters, Steve has ditched his favorite fashion pattern.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. No, not wearing it today. I've got my, neon flamingo sun today, but.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Neon. Do you have a. Do you have a neon flamingo shirt at your house?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I, don't.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. In your closet.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm allergic to neon.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Are you really?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: It happens.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it can. If you're on it too much, your body has a reaction.
>> Tim Wildmon: I've seen, like gluten.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I have no idea what.
>> Tim Wildmon: Neon free. Neon free.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: all right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Free neon Free food free.
>> Tim Wildmon: The neon.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm gonna ask the waitress next time we go to a restaurant. Is this neon free? Because I am severely allergic.
>> Tim Wildmon: so cheaps. Cheaps.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So one time, we were in the mall. Our local mall. Wow.
>> Ed Vitagliano: This must have been a long time ago.
>> Tim Wildmon: It was. It's still open.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: But we were walking. That's back when I believed in exercise. I. You go through kicks, you know what I'm saying?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, sure.
>> Tim Wildmon: So I was on it. I was on an exercise kick, so I stopped at the, one of the little food court things where you get a milkshake.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: To offset the exercise.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: You don't want to do too much of either.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No.
>> Tim Wildmon: Sure. A balanced life.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And that five miles you put in in the mall.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You. You. That's probably what it would take to balance off a milk.
>> Tim Wildmon: So there was a little teenage girl there working, I'm sure, after school.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And. And trying to help the public. And Allison, I went up to her and I said, do you have, You know, you have that drink. I noticed you have it with, moose milk. And I. I said, is that real moose milk or is that fake? And she. Of course it was mou. It was like.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Like with moose tracks. Ice cream and all that.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. It wasn't. Well, it wasn't.
>> Ed Vitagliano: What.
>> Tim Wildmon: What do they. What do they call that when it's. It's not real. It's not moose. It's, something.
I shouldn't have done that to that. Look, she was just 15
mouse.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh. We Just talk about like, like chocolate mousse. You're talking about that? Yeah, it's called moose.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, so I, I shouldn't have done that to that. Look, she was just 15, trying to, trying to work a little minimum wage job after school. But I, I couldn't help it. I said, is that real? What do you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Moose.
>> Tim Wildmon: Moose. I said, is that real, Moose? And, or is it, or is it fake? Cause I can't. I'm intolerant to the fake stuff.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I wish I was there. So she knew that.
>> Tim Wildmon: She, she, she went over to the carton, she started reading it. She said, sir, I'm sorry, I don't know. You want to look at it yourself?
>> Ed Vitagliano: What, did Allison do?
>> Tim Wildmon: She, Allison like walked away.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's what my wife does.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm not related to this man. I can't believe he's abusing a little 15 year old girl just trying to, trying to close up her shop here.
>> Ed Vitagliano: She probably gave up on work altogether. Yeah, because that's prob. Been on welfare.
>> Tim Wildmon: But what is it called?
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's called, it's a moose.
>> Tim Wildmon: Moose? Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Usc.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it's a type of dessert.
>> Tim Wildmon: So I wanted to know whether that was fake or real. So anyway.
>> Ed Vitagliano: All right, well, I am going to remember that. I'm going to do that and I'm going to upset my wife too.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's fun to do.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: If the person doesn't know whether. Yeah, you know what they're going. What's going on there?
This Thursday is the National Day of Prayer
All right, so, this Thursday is the National Day of Prayer. And don't we need prayer in this country?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right, we need prayer on this show.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. Real prayer, not fake prayer. and, joining us to talk about it is the president of the National Day of Prayer Task Force, Kathi Branzel for, a minute. A couple.
>> Ed Vitagliano: A friend of our ministry here.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's right. Kathi, Good morning to you.
>> Amber Brown: Hey, it's good to talk to you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Where do you live?
>> Amber Brown: I live in Georgia.
>> Tim Wildmon: In Georgia.
>> Amber Brown: Okay, well, listen, but I am currently in Washington D.C. getting ready for the National Day of Prayer expression, the congressional Observance here on May 7th.
Tell us about the National Day of Prayer
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, well, tell us. Tell us about what all. Ah, you want to tell us about the National Day of Prayer? Go ahead.
>> Amber Brown: Oh, fun. Thanks. how much time you got? No,
>> Tim Wildmon: just. I'll cut you off just to get, go ahead and get started.
>> Amber Brown: I promise, promise. No neon, no moose.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. I'm sorry you had to hear all that.
>> Amber Brown: Yeah, no, it's great.
The National Day of Prayer celebrates America's 250th anniversary this year
So here's something that's not fake. We're a law. A lot of people don't realize the National Day of Prayer is actually a law. And we are going to have our 75th observance this year since we became a law. And how extraordinary here in our 250th years of celebrating America. And so we are celebrating in prayer and we wanted to make sure that we gave all glory to God for our 250 years. And so we will be expressing that glory to God, ascribing to him his glory, comes from 1st Chronicles, 1624 that, that says tell of his glory, Tell of God's glory among the nations, his good deeds to all people. And you know, we about a lot of things and we give the enemy a whole lot of glory talking about what he's up to and, and all the success he's having in our nation and around the world. And so we wanted to spend this year praising God and reminding people that we wouldn't still be here as a nation, we wouldn't have made it 250 years if God had not indeed shed his grace on thee and me. Amen. So we are going to be glorifying God among the nations and seeking him in all gener. We are very excited about what God is doing across the nations on campuses, college campuses, with our younger brothers and sisters in Christ. And so our 19,000 plus coordinators across the nation will be hosting tens of thousands of gatherings on May 7, in over 90% of the counties in the United States. And we have the privilege of hosting the Congressional Observance here in Washington D.C. we will also be having a prayer gathering at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, showing our gratitude to our military as well as Mount Vernon. So we have a wonderful day of glorifying God and we invite everyone to join us across the nation in their hometown in praying. And then you can watch the congressional observance at 8:00pm M. Eastern Time. I know you all have helped carry that for years. We're so grateful. And snippets of it here and there. And you can go to our website at nationaldayofprayer.org nationaldayofprayer.org at 8:00pm Eastern Time on Thursday and watch the Congressional Observance there as well.
Kathy Branzel is president of the National Day of Prayer task force
>> Ed Vitagliano: Our guest is Kathi Branzel who's president of the National Day of Prayer, the task force. Kathi, I'm going to ask you to give the website one more time, but let me ask you this. is, is it Still, Is there still time? I mean, we're just two days away. Is there still time for someone to throw something together, maybe get members of their church together to pray? And, what would they find at the website that might help them or at least help them plan for next year?
>> Amber Brown: Right. Absolutely. We have all kinds of resources and prayer guides. We want to make sure that everybody knows this is about prayer. and so, it's not a political campaign. It's, not a time to preach and preach, but it is a time to pray and pray. As you said as I was coming on, our nation needs prayer, our families need prayer, Our neighborhood needs prayer. And so we have free, prayer guides. We have resources available. And, national day of prayer.org or you can go right there on the gathering finder, put in your county, put in your state, and see all the different gatherings that we are hosting in your area and come join us there. And then if you think, well, you know, I had to travel about 30, 45, 50 minutes to get here. If that's your case, then we'd love for you to meet our state coordinators and get involved with us for next year. We would love for you to host a gathering. That would be wonderful. More prayer, more power. Amen.
>> Steve Jordahl: Kathi. Steve, Jordal.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.
>> Steve Jordahl: I, spent 10 years working with Shirley Dobson. Well, worked at Focus and, cover Shirley every year. She would prepare and do such a good job. you are carrying on the tradition, so well. thank you for what you're doing. I just know that she'd be very proud of you.
>> Amber Brown: Thank you. Thank you for saying that. It is an honor to, walk in her shadow and be a part of the legacy that she and Vonnett Bright and Anne Graham Lotzer a year, and our friend Dr. Ronnie Floyd for almost a couple of years. So this is my seventh year as president. When people say, wow, you stepped into some big shoes, I always say, a closetful. And what a privilege.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.
The annual National Day of Prayer is celebrated all over the country
All right, well, listen, thank you so much for being on with us today. Kathi and Kathi Branzell, President of the National Day of Prayer Task Force. The National Day of Prayer. The annual National Day of Prayer is two days from now, celebrated all over the country, in various ways. thank you, Kathi. Take care. And, we appreciate you. Okay.
>> Amber Brown: Appreciate you. We'll be praying for you.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, thank you. it's a wonderful event. I know we have, we commemorate it local at our city hall. It's a community wide event and I know A lot of people do that around the country.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's very easy. By the way, I went while Kathi was speaking to nationaldayofprayer.org nationaldayofprayer.org and it says, you scroll down a little bit, it says find a gathering. So I typed in the zip code and the state and the city and the county where we are currently located.
>> Tim Wildmon: Did you find a gathering?
>> Ed Vitagliano: And they, and they, ah, meet the hall event is there. And then one other additional event so folks can find that for their own town. For their own town at what website? It's national dayofprayer.org okay.
American Family Radio hosts discuss changing rooms debate on today's show
>> Tim Wildmon: You're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio. Tim Ray and Ed and Steve. Steve, go.
>> Steve Jordahl: I came across a video this morning. I just, I'm going to be a little transparent here. One of the things that we're trying to work out in the news business now is how to deal with AI and with all the different, various issues that come along with that. this is a video that I thought was current. It turns out this is from January of 2025, but it's going around again and we wanted to play it for you because it is such a good argument, for what. It's such a good way to say what it is saying. So you're going to listen to. This is GB from January, 2025. And they were debating the women changing in men's or, ah, women, Men in women's locker rooms and private spaces.
>> Tim Wildmon: It was a TV show.
>> Steve Jordahl: No, it was a news show. It was a news debate show. It was a news panel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Steve Jordahl: And they had a gentleman on whose name was Samuel Sweek, and he was arguing for, allowing men in women's
>> Ed Vitagliano: spaces, quote unquote, trans women, saying that there were women.
>> Steve Jordahl: And Myshel Dub, who's one of the anchors there, one of the moderators was having none of it. And we wanted you to hear this.
>> Tim Wildmon: This is.
>> Steve Jordahl: Listen, cut 12.
>> Tim Wildmon: The changing rooms debate is a perfect
>> Steve Jordahl: example of this, the conversation around
>> Speaker F: why should I, as a female, be forced to get changed in front of a male?
>> Tim Wildmon: If we're referring to a trans woman, then that is a woman.
>> Speaker F: No, no, a trans woman is a biological male. So I'm asking you again, why should I, as a female, be forced to get undressed in front of a biological male?
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, nobody's making you do that.
>> Speaker F: Yes you do. There's cases going through the courts at the moment. So I ask you again, why should I, as A biological female be forced to share and get undressed in front of a biological male.
>> Tim Wildmon: Look, m. I will say trans men are men, trans women are women.
>> Speaker F: Lots of women like me do not want to have to get dressed and all the rest of it in front of biological men. This is not a controversial view. We have single sex spaces for a reason. We have an epidemic of, male violence against women and girls. We fought hard to get our single sex spaces. We deserve those single sex spaces. Those single sex spaces are often responsible for keeping us safe. Many of us do not want biological men in our, spaces, our private single sex spaces. And nor should we have to have them there just in order to satisfy, other people's descriptions.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, I suppose we're gonna have to agree to disagree there, Myshel.
>> Steve Jordahl: But what I always say.
>> Speaker F: Yeah, but we always have to agree to disagree. But it's not you that then has to get changed in front of a man. It's always us women that have to suck it up. And a lot of us are.
>> Tim Wildmon: Listen, stop right there. She just she nailed him to the wall.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: as far as his, his, his lack of. Let me ask you this question. He, this fellow, and this is this fellow, you heard, all he goes with in his argument is that if a person feels like they're a different gender, we should wreck. We should act like they are. Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah,
>> Tim Wildmon: that is stupid. okay. And why the guy sounds mad me, he's an otherwise smart guy. Would he say that if I walked up to him and said, I am a, seven foot tall China man or, Chinese person, whatever the proper way to say that is, and that's who I am. I'm going to play in the NBA. Okay. That same man who just said a dude who said, calls himself a girl, we should say he's a girl because he says he is. Would tell me, you, can't do that. You're nuts. You're losing. If you really think you're a seven foot Chinese, person, then you need to seek help. Right? Okay, so, right. So why do they. This is the only. Or if I said I'm. I'm a Hispanic. Yeah, no, you're not. You're a white guy. No, no, I'm a Hispanic. Because I believe in my mind that I am.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I identify.
>> Tim Wildmon: Identify. So, so that, that person, that man right there you heard would say, well, I guess you are because you identify as one. Anyway, Ray, why does this, why is this persisting, this argument when it's so silly.
Ray Prichard: Transition is a spiritual issue, Steve
>> Tim Wildmon: It is some kind of widespread mental illness that is behind it is a spiritual darkness. You know, the Bible talks about the darkened mind. What's a darkened mind? It's a man that literally cannot see, can't tell truth from falsehood, can't determine day from night, can't determine good from evil, and can't tell the difference between a male and a female. That's a truly darkened mind. When you say, well, I'm not a man. I'm a woman today because I feel like a woman. That's true moral and spiritual darkness. It's a mental disorder.
>> Tim Wildmon: Actually. Actually, just. Steven, I'll let you talk. The person that would say that they are a. That they are the opposite sex. I would say they are, mentally ill in some form or fashion in addition to being spiritually not right. But a person who is not the individual who is transitioning, which this fellow was to agree with that person, that they are what they call themselves, that is intentionally deceptive, I guess you could say.
>> Steve Jordahl: I would say that I, agree with you, Ray. And one of the manifestations of the fact that it is a spiritual issue is that I think God made a special, effort to create men and women. And what God made a special effort to create. Satan wants to break down. God did not make a special effort to create height or race or any of these other delineators. But he did say, he created man and he created woman. And that's what God. The spiritual darkness. That's what Satan wants to destroy. And that's why they are so adamantly insistent on this, because it is a spiritual issue.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, look, Steve, that's 1,000% right. somebody says, well, how does Steve know this? Open the Bible to the very first page. You don't have to read on to Nehemiah to get this. Or Philippians to get this. Just open your Bible. Read the first page of the first book of the Bible. There it is. Genesis 1:26, 27. Male and female. He created them.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And it's interesting that God. It first says, God made man in his image, male and female. He created him. So there's something about the fact that God made the human race male and female. That are. Those two sexes are distinct, but together they express the image of God. So you can't. There is a sense. Ray, you're a doctor. Ray Prichard, the image of God, please.
>> Tim Wildmon: Not a medical doctor.
>> Steve Jordahl: I was talking about my elbow. It's been hurting.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, there's a sense in which just men can't express the image of God by themselves. Just women can't. Male and female does.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay. It'd be as if I said, Steve, you and Heather, you're one flesh, right?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Explain that. I've been married 51 years. But there's something to it, right? Sure, there's something that Marlene and I are one flesh. That's a biological reality. But it's true of a. There is a unity of oneness and purpose inside marriage that reflects something about the truth of God that can't be seen anywhere else.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, the truth of God is that he's creative. And it takes a man and a woman to create and that's in the image of God as well. God creates, and when he brings man and woman together, we are able to create. That's the only way we're able to create.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
A Texas water park is having an All Muslim day on June 1
Next story. Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Alright, there is a, water park in Texas that is having an All Muslim day.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's the name of it?
>> Steve Jordahl: The name is Epic Waters in Grand Prairie, Texas. And on May, I'm sorry, June 1st, it is declaring it is a Muslim only day. It is going to ask people to dress modestly in Muslim approved swimming garbage. And they're not going to separate the pools by gender, but they are saying men and women will not be separated. But attendees are told to quote, uphold Islamic etiquette by lowering the gaze throughout the day. And someone's lowering the what? Lowering their gaze. Their eyeline. They don't look G, A, Z, E,
>> Ed Vitagliano: not G, A, Y, S. Ah, correct.
>> Steve Jordahl: G A, Z, E. don't look the women in the eye because it demeans them or whatever they believe. Dannah Loesch is pointing, out that this water park is a public park, it receives taxpayer money, it's taxpayer funded and that what they're doing is unconstitutional. I'm just wondering if there's going to be a lawsuit. But that's what they're doing.
>> Tim Wildmon: well, I know we have Christian day at theme parks and major league baseball games, have Christian family day and that kind of thing, but
>> Ed Vitagliano: they don't, they don't say if you can only come in if you're Christian.
>> Tim Wildmon: And they don't know what they're saying here. Yeah, yeah, they're going to take your, you have a Muslim card.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I was going to know this.
>> Steve Jordahl: Well, you have to dress, you have to present as Muslim.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't think you have to be a Muslim to get in. You just have to act like one. You don't have to be genuine. You don't have to be a genuine. I don't think that's going to happen.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But while they have Christian Day, you know, at, at theme parks.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They're not, they. I don't think you can legally exclude people who aren't Christian simply, you know, you can't say at the, at the front gate, you have to prove that you're a Christian. You have to show a card or whatever.
>> Steve Jordahl: Quote, three memory verses.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Quote, three memory verses. But I will say this, on a broader, in a broader sense, I don't like what's happening in this country. Muslims, apparently not all of them, but many are seeing the opportunity to use our own freedoms and liberties in an effort to change the culture of the country. And I think this is dangerous. It's already happened. Well advanced situation in Europe. I don't want it happening here.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're out of time today, Ray. Thank you.
>> Tim Wildmon: You bet.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thank you. thank Ed, Steve, Krish, Brent Creeley, our producer, Cole Greene, our video man. Kathi Branzel was on with us from the National Day of prayer. And Dr. Paul Weaver was with us, author of Faith Affirming Findings. We are out of time. We thank you for yours. We will see you back here tomorrow for another edition of Today's Issues. Keep listening to afr.
