Today's Issues continues on AFR with Steve Paisley Jordahl
>> Steve Jordahl: Today's Issues continues on AFR with your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. I'm Tim with, Ed and Fred. And now, Steve Paisley Jordahl joins us. Good morning, brother Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: I like the way you're. He's converting from California, Colorado to a Mississippi welcome. Say it again, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey.
>> Steve Jordahl: Howdy, y'. All.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's Texas right there.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Which is two states over.
>> Steve Jordahl: Okay, good.
>> Tim Wildmon: You go with hey, everybody.
>> Steve Jordahl: Hey, everybody.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's. That's redneck right there, Steve. I'm giving it up.
>> Steve Jordahl: Let me do the California then. Hello, Tim. Good to see you. Good to be here.
>> Tim Wildmon: Casey Kasem. Tonight we get a letter from sue in Huntington, West Virginia, and she writes, every time I hear the Carpenter sing.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's good.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think of my boyfriend who's stationed off the coast of Alaska. all right. You remember Casey?
>> Fred Jackson: Oh, yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Oh, I still. Actually, you know what? If I have some time and I'm doing, like, folding clothes and doing something where I can listen to. I put on Casey Kaseum's top 40. You can go back and find them from, like, some random week in 1980. 1974, and all the songs that I remember for them.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Steve Jordahl: Then come. It's great. Listen, it's a fun time to pass
>> Ed Vitagliano: an hour so you can find the actual show.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, they still have it. I've heard it on 70s music sometimes.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah. And then you get. You get, like, about number 50 and 49 are songs. Songs you hadn't thought of in, like, 30 years. Yeah, it's great. A lot of fun.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm Casey Kasem. You think I'm doing a good on that?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I'm not going to keep complimenting you, Tim.
>> Tim Wildmon: I just want to know, you know, when I could do that. Good. That's a good impersonation.
Stevie: Has our politics come down to which team you're on
All right, so, you're listening to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Hey, before we get into the news, and none of you know, I'm even going to bring this up. I don't know where this topic goes. I want to ask you. Ed and I talked about this some, and I'm not saying there is a. I don't know. I don't. I don't know how to think about this exactly, but Sandy, Sandy Rios was on with us last hour, and she was talking about the Enemy Within. Basically, in our country, these secular progressives that that are trying to just rep. They're trying to change our country, revolutionize our country with. For godlessness, basically, and ending American sovereignty open. I mean, there's so many problems, global
>> Ed Vitagliano: government, all of that, what they're trying to do.
>> Tim Wildmon: But my question is, has our politics and our government come down to which team you're on and that's all that matters. And if that's where we are, M. Maybe that's where we are. and so you're going to have to pick a team. Here's what I mean by that. I'll give you an example. Whenever in the past I've criticized President Trump for something, inevitably we will get 10, 15 emails, we'll get some calls. I'm not supporting you anymore. You're against Trump. What's wrong with you? Are you not for our country? And I go, yes, I'm for our country and I agree with President Trump on most things, but he's not God and he's not Jesus Christ and he makes some terrible decisions sometimes and they're worthy of criticism. And I'm sorry you get your feelings hurt on this, but you. But that happens every day. It'll happen right now, I guarantee you. We get off the radio program because I criticize, because I said there's anything wrong with President Trump, in any way. They're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna say I'm. Here's what they're going to say. I'm siding with the enemy.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So my question to you is, have we come down to. You can't criticize your own team in quotes because to do so is interpreted as helping the enemy. And, and so we're left with silence when it comes to some. On our now, you had no problem criticizing the other Republicans while ago.
>> Fred Jackson: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: now you did it generically. Republicans who you say are weak and just want to make money off their positions in politics, we're not going to get many emails, on that. Right. But, you do you understand? So my question is. And Stevie, feel free. I just want to, I just, I don't want to have a family talk. Well, I'm sharing my heart.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'll give you my short answer. Go ahead to this. I think that both sides understand this truth that America has to choose which direction it's going. These are mutually exclusive ways of looking at the world.
>> Tim Wildmon: Give us the two side.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm given the secular progressive side.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The God fearing Declaration of Independence Founders, Constitution side.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. Those are two different, completely mutually exclusive Ways of looking at the world.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, they are.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Both those ways lead to making different decisions on policies, to deal with having guns, religious liberty, the Ten Commandments in school, all those kinds of issues. Economics, whether we're socialist or whether we are capitalist. All those different policy decisions flow from the fact that these are two completely, separate, mutually exclusive ways of looking at the world. Therefore, one side or the other is going to win that fight. Just like. Just like the Civil War. I'm sorry that this sounds negative. The lead up to the Civil War happened because you could not be pro slavery, and slavery is illegal in the same country, and people had to choose sides. And so I think, to answer your question, the answer is yes, that, that is why people who are Christians will say, I'm supporting President Trump because the survival of the nation is at stake. And people on the left say, I hate President Trump and the Republicans because they are a threat to. To what I think is important. And only one side is going to win that fight in America. I have no idea who the winner is going to be. I am praying that God will help us and help the people standing for biblical righteousness. And I am praying that God raises up people to stand for that righteousness and opens the eyes of people who are sitting on the fence because only one side's winning that this fight. And that's why. That's why people will criticize you for saying something about Trump. I don't think it's a fair criticism. I think we're trying to say this is what's real, this is what's true, and if President Trump doesn't agree with that, we need to respectfully criticize him. But I think that's why they'll be mad at you for any kind of criticism. Just like on the left, you can't. If you're a John Fetterman, you will never get the nomination for president because you're selling out our cause anyway. That's all I got to say about that.
>> Tim Wildmon: That was good.
Tim: Ed says we have lost all ability to have nuance in politics
Go ahead, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: I've got two quick things I'll try to get to here. One, the Democrats, we saw this woke as the ultimate expression of this. They weaponized politics. We used to be that we would say, that, Republicans would say Democrats are wrong, Democrats would say Republicans are evil, and they made politics into a bloodsport. Number two, we live in a Twitter, ah, society where we have absolutely no attention span and we have lost all ability to have nuance. We cannot. Ed, you were talking about, the time of The Civil War. You know, people would stand in the sun and the rain for three hours to listen to politicians debate. And they would be just as invested after an hour and a, a half and two hours as they were at the beginning.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, the Lincoln Douglas.
>> Steve Jordahl: Can you imagine now having people listen to nuanced argument? So if you have no nuance, if it's a war and you have no nuance, no ability to put an argument out there, all you're left with is sound bites and two second clips. How can you run anything that's, ah, intelligent and thoughtful?
>> Fred Jackson: I think just to. What we could do is make some examples right now. And it flows from what Ed was saying. this country is either going to be a big NewSong York or a big Florida. It's going to be a big NewSong York or a big Texas, and people are going to have to decide. Neither party is perfect. But I think I'm being fair in that the Democratic Party of today, you look at the issues, abortion, homosexuality, you know, capitalism versus Marxism, unlimited immigration,
>> Ed Vitagliano: all that, all of, that.
>> Fred Jackson: I mean, the choice is very clear for those who want to at least come very close to maintaining traditional values. There is only one party to vote for right now. Yeah, that's the bottom line. To your point, Tim, I don't think it's wrong at all to criticize President Trump when you feel he's made a mistake. I mean, Sandy, I know is a President Trump fan, but she just told us on the air she didn't agree with his choice for homeland security. I, mean, there's nothing wrong with that. So there's not a problem in saying I believe the president was wrong in this point. However, I am going to support that party because it comes closest to a party that supports my biblical values. That's all we can do today because we live in a fallen world. Yeah, there's not going to be a traditional conservative Baptist political party. Yeah, there's not going to be that. We live in a fallen world. So we have to do the bet, the next best thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, I agree with everything, you guys. My name is Tim and we're covering. This is a little political holic and I'm here. yeah, I agree and I agree with everything you said, Ed. And of course we know that we're in a war for the soul and for the future of our country. my, my thing has never been. Quite frankly, I'm not as critical of President Trump's, choices on administration, as maybe Sandy is or others are. I think he's done a pretty, pretty good job with that, the people he's chosen to be in his cabinet. I don't, I'm not criticizing Sandy criticizing. I'm saying she, she does. He said, she said he makes some terrible choices on personnel. And that may be true. My, my thing has always been that he, that he acts like a five year old, and I've never seen anything like it in my life. In politics, we. He doesn't act like an adult. It's very immature, which makes me wonder about him. is somebody that skewed in the. In that they can't control their behavior? And what does that mean for decision making? And is he that vindictive that he has to go after everybody that disagrees with him? Like Wriley Gaines, who stood with him and supported him. And that brave young woman is taking on the, heat of the transgendered movement, trying to stand up for fairness in women's sports. And the first thing she says is, President Trump needs a little humility. And what does he do? I'm no fan of hers. That's shameful. Absolutely disgraceful for him to do that to her. That on top of presenting himself as Jesus in that picture, which I don't see how in the world you would think that wouldn't be anything but a depiction of Jesus. Let's just say President Trump thought he was a Red Cross doctor in a, in a robe from 2,000 years ago. You believe that? When I got some. If he really believes that, there's some other problem upstairs?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Does that make. Is everything I made, is everything I said makes sense and is fair?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or am I side with the enemy?
>> Ed Vitagliano: No. No. Yes. And here's, here's, here's the thing I want our listeners to understand or to remember. Okay. This is a Christian network. AFA is a Christian ministry. We have to speak the truth, even if the truth is painful. At least what we understand the truth to be.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't enjoy criticizing President Trump. I voted for him twice. like I said, I'm a fan of m. Most all his policies. I think he's done a great job overall. But the, but the things I've just described, you can't ignore. No, go ahead.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I was just going to say we, we have to. We have a responsibility to God. I know all the Christians out there say, well, I do, too. But we have, as a ministry, we have responsibility to God, to the Lord Jesus Christ, and to the calling that he has put on this ministry, which is to inform equip and activate Christ with the hopes that we can transform our culture. Okay, so we've got to speak truth. And sometimes truth is a criticism of people that you, for the most part, like and think they're doing a good job. And I just want our listeners to remember that when they, when they criticize us, they say, you can't criticize President Trump, but we're going to criticize you. Well, is criticism allowed or not?
>> Tim Wildmon: That's a good point.
We should be allowed to criticize President Trump for doing something we disagree
>> Ed Vitagliano: So if you can, if you can criticize us for something you think we're doing wrong, then we should be allowed to criticize President Trump for doing something
>> Tim Wildmon: that we disagree because we criticize President Trump from time to time. And it's only if it's deserved. well deserved, because a lot of things he does and says we don't ever talk about, which you just roll your eyes. But, big things I think have to be pointed out because let's not forget human pride and arrogance is one of the top sins.
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: listed in the Bible. So when you, when, when that's exhibited at it at. On a 10 out of 10 scale, you have to say, well, that's not. You shouldn't behave like that.
>> Fred Jackson: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so anyway.
Steve Liesman credits President Trump's administration for a number of developments
All right, Steve, what's your first story? We've. I've got my therapy.
>> Steve Jordahl: Okay, you guys started unpacking a little bit about the Southern Poverty Law center decision in the first hour. I wanted to kind of flesh, that out a little bit and play some, some examples of what we're talking about.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, by the way, this is to credit President Trump's administration.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Big M time.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Justice.
>> Tim Wildmon: Big time. If you didn't have President Trump appointing people as AG and, FBI, you wouldn't have what we're about to talk about. So kudos to President Trump and his team. Go ahead.
Southern Poverty Law Center indicted on 11 criminal charges including defrauding investors
>> Steve Jordahl: So yesterday, Tuesday. Yeah, yesterday, the Southern Poverty Law center was indicted on 11 criminal charges, including defrauding investors and funding extremism. And, this is. I'm going to play, Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche and FBI Director Kash Patel are describing a little bit about these charges. This is cut 4.
>> Tim Wildmon: The SPLC was not dismantling these groups. It was instead manufacturing the extremism it purports to oppose by paying sources to stoke racial hatred. SPLC paid at least $3 million to eight individuals. At least these individuals were affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan, United Klans of America, National Socialist Movement.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The Southern Poverty Law center used the money they raised from their donor network to actually pay the leadership of these very groups.
>> Steve Jordahl: I talked yesterday with General Jerry Boykin of Family Research Council. Family Research Council is particularly interested in this because several years ago a gunman walked into their lobby and actually shot their building manager who stopped this guy. He was going to go upstairs, walk into frc, there's a lobby and an elevator that takes you up to the offices. He was going to go upstairs. He had bags full of chick fil A sandwiches which he was going to kill as many people as he could. He was going to stuff sandwiches in you know, Chick fil a being a tool of the right and anti gay and all that kind of stuff. He was going to stuff sandwiches in their dead mouths. He was found to have been motivated by looking at the Southern Poverty Law center hate map. the second, there's the other one that General Boykins talk about is a Congressional Republican baseball gamer practice that they're having at a field. And the gunman who shot Steve Kalise and the rest of that place was also motivated by the hate map. And then he'll talk about a third person that was motivated by the hate map. I'll let him say that he is very clear that he is not holding SPLC responsible for these attacks. Only that what they published and the hate that they put into that map motivated others to do this. Let's listen to cut 13. This is Jerry Boykin.
>> Fred Jackson: You remember when the Republicans, and the Democrats were having their practice sessions and somebody came out and shot the baseball game?
>> Steve Jordahl: The Congressional baseball game.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah, that's right. Well that guy was also known to be going to the, to the website of Southern Poverty Law center. Just like the guy that came into our building who told the judge right out he said, I was motivated by this by looking at the Southern Poverty Law Center's website. And then there's another one and that's Charlie Kirk. And by the way, we uncovered some things that we think are pretty significant and we've passed it on to to the Congress.
>> Steve Jordahl: So he's saying that the shooter that shot up Charlie Kirk was also motivated by a list. Charlie Kirk on the hate map list. as are many, many people, including us. This is his ultimate judgment on this whole thing. Let's just listen. The last thing on this cut 14.
>> Fred Jackson: If they try this case in Alabama instead of in Washington D.C. it's probably going to work against SPLC who determines what being extreme really is. Because I've had them after me and call me a Hater. But I don't hate people. It's fair to say that they are one of the most evil organizations in America. And I mean that sincerely. I don't know how long it's going to take. It's not going to be overnight. But, I think their days are numbered now.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, the Southern Poverty Law center, we talked about this last hour again to tell you what's going on here. You know, there are organizations with causes all over America on the left, right. And in between. And this group SPLC is a left wing group. They're in Montgomery, Alabama. They started out with civil rights, for blacks, black Americans as their cause, which was a very good cause back in the 60s, but they ran out of reasons to exist basically because the civil rights issue was conquered. And so what they've done now some 50 years later or 60 years later, they have to have a reason to exist. They just, they should have closed down their shop, said, hey, job well done, let's go home. No, they said, we got to keep this thing, we got to stoke this racism thing so we can bring in some more money. Keep this thing. Go. This is my, So they, they make a list every year. It's not just racism, but they anti gay, that's what we're listed as. We're an anti gay hate group. And they're the ones that get to decide. SBLC gets to decide what's a hate group. And they get to. So they're self appointed. But then what happens is they're, they're friends in the left wing media, regurgitate or repeat or parrot what the SPFC says as a hate group. And they take that, ah, that's, that's their bible, so to speak, is whatever the SPLC says. So and also they get attention from Hollywood, the Hollywood crowd and the big business crowd who say, hey, we gave money to splc, so we're against bigotry. because they're the group that you give money to to prove that you're against bigotry. See how this all works?
>> Steve Jordahl: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: But what the SPLC just bowled it down, has been accused of, to simplify things is they've been accused of paying people inside white supremacist groups. And there's six of them across America, right?
SPLC accused of paying money to people they say are racist
>> Ed Vitagliano: Six groups.
>> Steve Jordahl: They're accused of paying six. There may be more than six groups across America, but they been.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, they're everywhere, Steve.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's true.
>> Tim Wildmon: See what a. They're just all over the place. Splc, they, they, they, they paid money to the people they would say are the racist. So they could stir up trouble and
>> Ed Vitagliano: prove that there's racism.
>> Tim Wildmon: Prove that there's racism so that the SPLC could then go out and raise money from the general, the, the whoever they raise money from to say, look, we're fighting against these people. All the while they're writing checks to the people they're fighting so they. So they'll keep stirring up trouble. Does that make that. Have I boiled it down to basically what they've been accused of?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Nation makes sense.
>> Steve Jordahl: The demand for racism far out seeds exceeds the supply.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yes, that's what I'm saying.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Way of putting it.
>> Tim Wildmon: They run out. They ran out of. They ran out of, their calls ran out.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So they're going to increase the supply.
>> Steve Jordahl: That's right.
>> Tim Wildmon: So they need to find something to fight so they fund something that they can stir up that they can fight. It's really bizarre. But that's what they're accused of. True.
>> Steve Jordahl: Correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: By this. And this is the United States Justice Department.
>> Steve Jordahl: It is.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so we'll see what happens.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Which means they're going to get access to documentation, emails, all that kind of stuff. Communications with these individuals, these who are alleged to have been on the payroll.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They're going to get all that. Kind of.
>> Tim Wildmon: Going to be a certain circus. Am I right?
>> Fred Jackson: Oh yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: White supremacist circus. All right. The bears will even be polar bears. There won't be any other color bears in there in that circus. We'll be back tomorrow. See you then.
