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>> : welcome to today's Issues, offering a Christian response to the issues of the day. Here's your host, Tim Wildmon, president of the American Family Association.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey, good morning, everybody, and welcome to Today's Issues on the American Family Radio Network. Thanks for listening to AFR. Today is, Wednesday, April 22, 2026. And in studio with me today is Ed Vitagliano. Good morning, Brother Ed.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning, Tim.
>> Tim Wildmon: Fred Jackson. Good morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hello there, Brother Fred. And Krish Woodward.
>> Chris Woodward: Good morning.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're my brother, too. Thank you, Brother in Christ. Amen.
>> Chris Woodward: Amen.
>> Tim Wildmon: Can I get an amen?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Amen. Thank you.
Ed's donning the, uh, palm tree shirt
>> Tim Wildmon: All right. Ed's donning the, palm tree shirt.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's not gay apparel.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I do not don gay apparel.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, I was not going to suggest that you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I got the little palm tree thing.
>> Tim Wildmon: Where'd you get that shirt?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't remember. Oh, I've spilled something on it. You made me look down.
>> Tim Wildmon: How old are you?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, man.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, I understand. I'm 63.
>> Tim Wildmon: But he usually takes me till noon
>> Tim Wildmon: to spill something on me.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're. You're going.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're getting an early start.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, let's get back to the design of my shirt.
>> Tim Wildmon: Let's do that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I. I think I got this at Coles or something.
>> Tim Wildmon: Just,
>> Tim Wildmon: Got it. It's got a sort of a. It's a tropical feel, too.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, it does, because it's got, palm trees that are kind of, salmon color.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But I, can't go too crazy because it's a dark blue background.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And so black and dark blue are my favorite colors.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. I got you.
>> Ed Vitagliano: If I go green, even if it's dark green, that's a wild day for me.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's St. Patty's Day.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: You might do that on St. Patty.
>> Fred Jackson: It kind of looks like a retirement shirt to me.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's what I was going to suggest.
>> Tim Wildmon: You, like, you're ready to.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You're not too long away from retirement, you know. Are you getting ready to Go on a cruise shirt.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Doesn't it look like it could be that? I like it. I like it.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, I'm just thrilled that people are noticing my attire. mission accomplished. I am not invisible today.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, great. All right, again, thank you for joining us, everybody, on today's issues. Sandy Rios is scheduled to be with us at the bottom of the hour. We haven't visited with Sandy in a while. Host of Sandy Rios 247 podcast, which is very popular, among our listeners. Many of you listen to Sandy's podcast twice a week. And you go to afr.net click on podcast and get Sandy's twice a week podcast.
The Southern Poverty Law center has been charged with defrauding donors
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, Christopher, what is happening in
>> Tim Wildmon: this here world of ours?
>> Chris Woodward: Let me begin with what we call in the biz, a deep tease. In other words, I'm going to mention something briefly and I'm going to tell people to stick around because later we're going to get to what I'm about to, do that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Krish.
>> Chris Woodward: we have a story on our website, that broke yesterday. We're still following it hard today. So stay with afn, on radio and print after this show because we're on top of this story. The Southern Poverty Law center has been charged with defrauding donors. The SPLC is a program, an organization, I should say, that's been around for decades, longer than I've been on this earth.
>> Tim Wildmon: dear, dear people.
>> Chris Woodward: Yes, yes. They started out to fight, segregation and discrimination, and they've since turned into a hate group that, tries to label other organizations doing good in this world as hate groups. And, they have been charged with defrauding donors. So Steve Jordal is all over this. He's already done some stories for us and is, matter of fact, in the newsroom, working on more stories. We have a ton of sound about this, because it all relates to, I mean, we've been labeled a hate group of the sblc. FRC had a. Oh, we have a lifetime membership. Right, right. So, we're going to get to this later in the show because I want Steve to be able to promote his, great story on this for us already today.
>> Tim Wildmon: If you read about us, in
>> Tim Wildmon: the news, if we're, we're not in the news as much as we used to be. But I mean, American Family association on American Family Radio, if you're going to read a news story about us, here's typically how it starts. It doesn't matter. We could be curing cancer. Doesn't matter. Here's how it's going to start. The American. The Tupelo, Mississippi based American Family association, comma, labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law center, comma, bye bye, bye, bye bye. Whatever we do or did or said or promoted is usually, that's the first thing the media mentions, citing the. Is, uncredible in, Southern Poverty Law center out of Montgomery, Alabama. So, you know, left wing groups rarely get the,
>> Tim Wildmon: I wouldn't get. We.
>> Tim Wildmon: Some people say we're a right wing group. Okay, whatever. But I, would say we're not right wing, we're Christian group. Okay. whatever that. Whatever the issues fall down right or left, we want to be on the side of the Bible. But, let me go back to this. You never see a left wing organization done that way.
>> Tim Wildmon: Fred, you follow the Associated Press?
>> Fred Jackson: Absolutely. And you're exactly right. They use that terminology whenever there's a story about afa, which has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Popular Law Center. You know what that says? Says, though, Tim, that tells me the news organization that is framing us that way.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: They don't like us either.
>> Tim Wildmon: Right. So they, they, they're looking for a
>> Tim Wildmon: group to say about us, that we're a hate group.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Anyway, so this organization, you've heard us
>> Tim Wildmon: talking about them before, the Southern Poverty Law center, that's a highly unusual name for a group. Their roots go back to the, civil, rights movement of the 60s.
>> Tim Wildmon: And they did have a legitimate call.
>> Chris Woodward: Oh, yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: At the time.
>> Tim Wildmon: But over time, civil rights,
>> Tim Wildmon: is not an issue anymore. All colors of Americans have the right to everything now in our country and have for a long time. So they need a reason to exist. Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Southern Poverty Law center, they were founded in 1971.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: And so they need a reason to
>> Tim Wildmon: exist today because the white supremacists. So they try to,
>> Tim Wildmon: I know we're going to get into
>> Tim Wildmon: this story more later, but I wanted people to know the essence of the charges.
>> Fred Jackson: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: Because this was a big press conference
>> Tim Wildmon: yesterday by the sitting or acting Attorney General of the United States and the FBI director.
>> Fred Jackson: Uh-huh.
>> Tim Wildmon: They were at a joint press conference.
>> Tim Wildmon: Fred, in essence, what has the SBLC been charged with?
>> Fred Jackson: In essence, the charge is defrauding their donors. And the story is just very basic, that they hired people. The Southern Poverty Law center hired people to get inside various other organizations, allegedly to spy on them and get information. But now the charges seem to go beyond that, that some of these people were hired by the Southern Poverty Law center, according to the Justice Department, encouraged bad activity which would help the Southern Poverty Law center identify them as hate group.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then.
>> Tim Wildmon: So then the Southern Poverty Law center
>> Tim Wildmon: could raise money off of the troublemaker that they helped fund.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Is that right?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Because they couldn't find enough actual troublemakers. Yeah. So they listen. And I'm. By the way, we do have, people read about this, on, afn.net American. That stands for American Family News. Afn.netm they were actually. This is the accusation. Okay. Among the other things that you guys have already stated, that they were secretly paying actual leaders of the Ku Klux Klan so that they could spy and get inside information. So, yes, they were hiring people to go in and spy on organizations, but they were actually paying members. Again, this is the, allegation. Paying members of the groups that they told their donors, the splc, that the Ku Klux Klan's going crazy.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You know, white supremacy is exploding across the country. And yet they were giving donors money to the Ku Klux Klan, one of the very groups that they SPLC said was a, threat to the United States.
I would not be surprised if people call SBLC headquarters demanding their money back
>> Chris Woodward: I would not be surprised if people aren't calling SBLC headquarters today saying, I want my money back. I donated to you from October of 1987 to whatever, and now I expect my money back. Because they paid these people to do what they thought was good stuff, and they were clearly doing bad stuff.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Allegedly.
>> Chris Woodward: Allegedly.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, yeah, so we'll see what happens there. We'll talk more about this story later. Go watch your next story.
Reports are all over the place on what's going on in Iran
>> Chris Woodward: All right. if I could put a. We're a radio show, but if I had, the ability to put a graphic down at the bottom of the screen right now, it would be. I don't really know what's going on in Iran. And you don't either, because news, reports are all over the place on what's going on in Iran. Let's take, us back to the beginning of this show. Yesterday, I led off the news segment by saying that Vice President J.D. vance was part of a group of Trump administration officials that were traveling to Pakistan for talks with somebody in Iran that's still alive, to talk about peace going forward. And then in the afternoon, we found out, Fred comes to me and says, I've updated the AP section of AFN.net because, Vance's visit is now on hold. It looks like talks have fallen apart. Then we get news late last night, which I put in the 8 o' clock newscast from my living room that Trump, had installed or extended a ceasefire. And now we've got stories on Fox News right at this moment that says Iran, says it is two ships in custody. And after opening fire on world's most critical waterway to go with this, Trump is now saying, we're going to bomb Iran again. So I don't know what's going on, and I don't think really anybody does.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, it's comforting.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, we got the world on, edge.
>> Tim Wildmon: And, Krish, you said what?
>> Chris Woodward: I don't know what's going on, and I don't think anybody does, end quote. I mean, reports are you could go to, you could go to 10 websites right now and get 10 different version of what may be going on right now in Iran.
>> Fred Jackson: What it appears is that Trump, announced yesterday, after meeting at the White House with various representatives, that he's extending the ceasefire, because the Iranians weren't ready to come to the table to start negotiations again. And so the Pakistanis convinced President Trump to extend the ceasefire. What I was surprised to learn this morning was that the Iranians, overnight, early this morning, our time, had fired on three ships attempting, from what I understand, to exit through the Strait of Hormuz. And they've actually taken control of two of those ships and escorted them to the Iranian side of the Strait of Hormuz. The Iranians say this is in retaliation to the United States blockade, which has been stopping ships from going in and loading up with oil every day. Iran, during normal times, makes $500 million in oil sales. They have not been able to load up their ships. That means they are running out of capacity to store oil that's coming out of the ground. If that hasn't stopped already, it's going to stop pretty soon. So a lot of people are saying, okay, Iran does control the Strait of Hormuz right now. They control it. We have the blockade that's going on. And as Krish is pointing out, where do we go from here? No one seems to know.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I sure Ed knows.
>> Tim Wildmon: Go ahead, Ed. Tell him, buddy.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Listen, there is a lot of pressure. Again, we always have to preface this by saying, whoever's running Iran, and as we have said constantly for the last several weeks, we said it earlier this week, Monday and Tuesday, there may be multiple factions within Iran jockeying for position. All right, my, my understanding is, reading again, to Krish's point, an article, I don't know if this is the absolute truth, but that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard has isolated the, the the successor to Khomeini, and that it looks like from outside analysts that maybe the IRGC is solidifying its position, maybe on the verge of a, military coup. Okay. I don't know. The IRGC is different than the regular Iranian military, too. So are there are going to be clashes? This is, I've been, you know, like we're all doing, we're reading, trying to catch up on Iran. Iran is a very difficult, country to run in terms of. It has very little. Arid or it's very arid, has very little land for planting crops. It is constantly under pressure because they don't get much rainfall. Some of their rivers and their, reservoirs are drying up. they are completely dependent on oil revenues to support the military run the country. All the things we were talking about, they have been having brownouts because of the electrical issues, without, you know, without some of the fuel. So they could very well be under tremendous pressure. I've read estimates that have said if there's a regime change, it may take a couple of years. So the question becomes, and we talked about this in our story meeting, what does President Trump do? He's already done a tremendous amount. The US Military done a fabulous job with the destruction of much of Iran's military, navy, so on and so forth. But President Trump is running out of time because his legal authority to wage war is coming to an end without congressional approval. And I don't think he's going to. This. This could wind up being a very, unpopular military, endeavor. And a lot of people, a lot of Republicans may say, I don't want to face voters and explain why we're at trying. Why I voted to continue a war in Iran. So I'm not sure what the president's going to do. He's. He's in a tough spot, too.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, I, I really think just my own personal gut feeling here is I think this administration thought this would have been over by now.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think that's clear. I think the president reached this. I think his heart was in the right place here with the suffering of the Iranian people. I think he was hoping. Remember the comment, help, is on the way?
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think he was hoping that they would storm the palace and overthrow the mullahs and the irgc, but these people got mowed down in the streets. There's terrible, yeah, terrible reprisals to people. I mean, they are, they are assaulting. I'm. I'm just trying to say this in the nicest way possible. There are Children listening. They are assaulting people before they execute them, especially the women. And this is a terrible, terrible regime. And I think President Trump was hoping it could be overthrown. But the irgc, its roots go down deeper than maybe the administration thought.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, Excuse me.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, that's.
>> Tim Wildmon: So I want.
There's one question I have that I had not heard answered satisfactorily
>> Tim Wildmon: There's one question I have that I had not heard answered satisfactorily. Did I get that word right? Yeah, close enough. this Strait of Hormuz, which is shut down now by Iran, 18 to 20 miles across at its narrowest point, all the hundreds of ships go through there under normal conditions daily. how does Iran control that? I mean, if they send out a boat to fire at a merchant ship, for example, why isn't the United States Navy out there blowing them out of the water?
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't, I don't understand how they,
>> Tim Wildmon: how, how an army and a navy that's been decimated still can still control a straight like that. That doesn't make any sense to me.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, first, we need to remember that it is 18 to 20 miles wide. But in terms of it being navigable, I use this word last week you
>> Tim Wildmon: were very impressive word.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. It's only three to six miles in some places. It's, it's because you have these big oil tankers. They need deeper waters. Okay. And so they, so it is a little restricted, but it's, it's long. And these attack boats, I'm going to look up here in just a second, Chris. Look up how many, small attack boats they still have remaining. I think they've got a lot of those and they are small and fast for a reason. So you're not going to catch them with ships. You'd have to patrol with aircraft the whole time. And they have stand, they have standoff missiles. So they don't have to come up right. On a ship. They can, they can come out of their little harbor or wherever they're at and they can fire a missile and, and then you have to be manned.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's man, is it those, those little ships?
>> Tim Wildmon: Those little.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, yeah, they do have drones.
>> Tim Wildmon: You pull a couple of those out of the water, they'll be hard to recruit. captains just like to do that. We're blowing them out of the water in the Caribbean every other day we
>> Ed Vitagliano: find a, they keep coming, the
>> Tim Wildmon: rug boat and then we blow it out. Well, that's true, but they're getting, seemed like it's going fewer. Yeah, I mean it's going to be hard to.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hold Up.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm the only one with that kind of question.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I think if it was possible to do what you're saying, I think we would have done that. And the fact that we have not been able to knock out most of these. I'll come to you in a second here, Krish. to get to all these smaller boats is because they're, I think they're easier to hide. It's not like a battleship or a destroyer or cruiser or something like that that, you know, it's sitting at dock and you can knock it out.
>> Tim Wildmon: These are, let me remind people. And then Krish will get to you. As Ed said five minutes ago, that, that. I'm just teasing.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, you said we're going to get
>> Tim Wildmon: to Krish, and now I'm saying we're going to get Krish. Then we'll go to Fred and Brent. Krish, you know what the, the purpose, for the United States blockade is to try to choke off the economy of Iran. The money, as Ed mentioned earlier. So you might m. You wonder, why are we blockading Iran? Why don't we just leave where we're trying to squeeze them? Yeah, because their money comes from oil primarily, I guess, is the purpose of what we're doing now. how long. How long can our ships just stay over there doing that?
>> Ed Vitagliano: I.
>> Tim Wildmon: Indefinitely.
>> Tim Wildmon: I don't know. It just seems like to me it's putting. It would be putting a lot of stress on our,
>> Ed Vitagliano: And, and can President Trump legally keep them there?
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Engaged in a conflict. If they don't, he doesn't get congressional approval.
>> Fred Jackson: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think that's coming up.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's a big question. so, ah, it's just, it's basically, we're at a standstill right now, and there's. No, we're not. No hostilities on our part, at least United States or Israel against Iran, like all the bombing that was done for three or four weeks or whatever it was. So we're basically at a standstill with Iran. Listen, okay, this is a layman speaking, just observing. We're not going to be able to keep them from enriching uranium or to guarantee that that's an unattainable goal, in my opinion. So if that's the goal, good luck with that one. Okay. That's not going to be possible. So I don't know if President Trump's going to admit that or not. you know what I'm saying?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, that's why he wants a deal. He, you know, in order. In order to get the straight open And Iran, you, able to sell your oil, you're going to have to agree not to commence. And we want inspectors.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: That's the only thing you.
>> Tim Wildmon: That would be a huge win.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, that would be.
>> Tim Wildmon: That would be a huge. Go ahead, Krish.
Chris Murphy: Democrats are not cheering for Iran in this war
>> Chris Woodward: Okay, so I've got two sources here over to Fred. Now,
>> Tim Wildmon: I do tease with you. Go ahead, Chris.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yours.
>> Chris Woodward: I've got two sources here. the NewSong York Times Sundays as of April 2026, Iran is estimated to still have hundreds of small, fast attack boats operational, with some reports suggesting around 340 light craft equipped with missiles and mines remaining. The NewSong York Post just ran a story, and this is their headline. Iran doesn't need a navy to choke the world's oil lifeline. Just a swarm of mosquito boats. So even though we have, quote, decimated them, and it's pretty obvious that we have, they still have some stuff that could cause problems. And I think we're seeing that.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's really bizarre.
>> Chris Woodward: It is.
>> Tim Wildmon: That some little mosquito boats can determine the fate of the world.
>> Chris Woodward: Look what Vietnam was able to do against us.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Chris Woodward: With not much.
>> Fred Jackson: And they still have Iran, still has drones left. And I think a card that a lot of people didn't realize that Iran would attack Qatar, Kuwait, uae in this. And I heard something this morning. Iran is basically saying to President Trump, if you bomb our power plants and our bridges, we will start firing at the desalination plants. Kuwait depends for 90% of its water on desalination plants. Can you imagine a whole country's water supply could be taken out overnight by Iran?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Nobody. Nobody on the Democratic Party side says, war crime, you know, who are the
>> Tim Wildmon: Democrats cheering for in this war?
>> Ed Vitagliano: They're cheering against Trump. I'm not sure that's first and foremost.
>> Tim Wildmon: If it means Iran wins and Trump loses, they're good with that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Behind closed doors, they would say, good, he got it.
>> Fred Jackson: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: Good.
>> Tim Wildmon: Where they would say behind closed doors?
>> Ed Vitagliano: That'd be what they'd say, good. Trump. Trump lost.
>> Tim Wildmon: I think they're saying it out loud. Well, some of them are.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I don't think you'd find. I mean, Krish Murphy for. Was it from NewSong Jersey?
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Had to kind of explain he was being sarcastic.
>> Chris Woodward: We can do that coming back.
>> Ed Vitagliano: So I don't think you're going to get Democrats saying, hey, I'm rooting for Iran in this conflict, because then it looks like you're siding against our military. But they want Trump to lose and to fail and be humiliated. And so behind closed doors, if that means they applaud what Iran's doing so
>> Tim Wildmon: much so we got a lot of Hanoi James out there.
>> Chris Woodward: You got it.
>> Don Wildmon: It's my turn.
Don Wileman: Readers share their favorite stories from today's Issues
>> Don Wildmon: Here is your host for my turn, Don Wileman.
>> Don Wildmon: After he lost a bid for reelection, City councilman Walter Barrick Jr. Of Danville, Virginia, filed a campaign expense account of $79.81. The final entry was 62 cents for aspirin. And every mother knows which side, the bread is buttered on. Yeah, the side the kids drop on the kitchen floor. Because his vehicle was getting low on gas, RJ Burns stopped at a service station in Kananapolis, North Carolina, and said, please fill her up. Now, I will admit that there's nothing unusual about that, except that Burns was at the controls of a helicopter and not a car. And here's one. An editor received a story from one of his reporters about the theft of 2,025 pigs from one farmer near Vanliere Horn, Texas. Curious about the large number, the editor called the farmer. Are you the one who had 20, 25 pigs stolen? The editor said yet? I dur am, replied the farmer. Thanks, said the editor. Well, he rewrote the story to report the theft. Two sows and 25 pigs. Oh, me, I don't guess you can win them all. By the way, that was a dead story. Then there's the true story of what happened up in Ohio. The residents of Bozetta Township waged war against a chicken farmer whose stock they said was rather smelly. They took their case to court, and while in court, they decided that they, would satisfy themselves with this sign by the town limits, entering Stinkville, population 72,000 stinking chickens unfit for human habitation. Finally, there was out in Longview, Texas. There was a policeman who read the note on the windshield of a car parked in a no parking area. This is what it I have circled this block 10 times, and I have an appointment and must keep it or lose my job. Forgive us our trespasses. Well, the officer wrote a note of his own and left it on the windshield. It read, I have circled this block for 20 years. If I don't give you a ticket, I will lose my job. Lead us not into temptation. Finally, there was a case of Harry Price in Long Eaton, England. Given only a few weeks to live when he received a, disability discharge from the army in 1917, he lived to be over a hundred years of age. Now, all of that brings us around to the carpenter's way of life. People counted it out soon after it began. Down through the years, it has continued to live and grow, despite the fact that it was supposed to die. Back in the 1960s, one of the famous Beatles singing group repeated this tale that Christianity is on the way out. For 2,000 years, men have been dooming his way to death, but it continues to live on this rock. I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. You know, I'm inclined to believe that he told the truth.
>> Don Wildmon: This has been My Turn with Don Wildmon, a production of the American Family Association.
>> Jeff Chamblee: Don't worry about anything. Instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need and thank him for all he has done. Then you will experience God's peace which exceeds anything we can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus. Philippians 4, 6, 7.
>> : This is today's issues. Email your comments to commentsfr.net Past broadcasts of today's Issues are available for listening and viewing in the [email protected] now back to more of today's issues.
Today's Issues on American Family Radio is on Wednesday, April 22
>> Tim Wildmon: Welcome back, everybody, to Today's Issues on American Family Radio.
>> Tim Wildmon: Thanks for listening to afr.
>> Tim Wildmon: I'm Tim with Ed and Fred and Krish.
>> Tim Wildmon: And, again, as always, we appreciate you, our listeners joining us each and every day today.
>> Tim Wildmon: What is today? Wednesday.
>> Tim Wildmon: Today's Wednesday.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Wednesday, April 22nd. My mom used to say all day, all day.
>> Chris Woodward: I think Thursday in Australia.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, Krish, why don't you document that for us there, do a news story on that and then tell us difference between Australian and Australia and NewSong Zealand.
>> Chris Woodward: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then where the international timeline.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah, it is. It's Thursday in Australia. It's 1:34.
>> Ed Vitagliano: And, of course it's across the international date line there. Everybody knows that it's in the Pacific.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah.
Mark Harmon: Navy deployments typically last six to nine months
>> Tim Wildmon: so, hey, one other question I wanted to ask.
>> Tim Wildmon: And then we're going to go to Sandy Rio. She's going to join us momentarily. And maybe we need to get a person here who is. Has been in the navy and has been around the world or been in conflicts.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Oh, just a military expert.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: So when you have, all our
>> Tim Wildmon: sailors that we have deployed, I'm talking about sailors in particular that are on these ships that we have out there. I don't know how many, how many
>> Tim Wildmon: ships we have out there.
>> Tim Wildmon: When I say out there over by Iran.
>> Fred Jackson: And we have them in the Mediterranean too.
>> Tim Wildmon: We Mediterranean forcing the blockade.
>> Fred Jackson: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Fred Jackson: Yep.
>> Tim Wildmon: are, they just stuck on
>> Tim Wildmon: a ship for weeks on end pretty much. Without being able to go to dock?
>> Fred Jackson: Pretty much.
>> Tim Wildmon: And if so, this is My question
>> Tim Wildmon: that seems to me to put a lot of pressure, on, on, on people I don't know. I've never been stuck at sea. I say stuck, that's not the right word, but I'm sure they feel like it. Deployed at sea for an indefinite, you know, a 30 day, 60 day, whatever. How long can you stay out there?
>> Ed Vitagliano: And we go ahead and that's why we'd need an expert. I think there are certain like on our submarine fleet that are, they go out for like six months underwater
>> Tim Wildmon: in that little boat.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They may come up, I don't know if they come up. But they're, but their, their missions are secretive like these nuclear powered subs. Krish is checking on that.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, but do you, do you guys understand what I understand? I'm asking from a psychological standpoint in
>> Tim Wildmon: a just a human emotional, if
>> Tim Wildmon: that's what the right word is.
>> Tim Wildmon: A state of being mental health. How do you handle that? Go ahead, stick Krish.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. modern nuclear powered naval submarines typically remain submerged for 30 to 90 days per mission.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Okay. It's, that's not as long as six
>> Tim Wildmon: months, but that's a long way from six months.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Check and see how long they're away from port though, because not maybe not submerged.
>> Chris Woodward: Talk amongst yourself.
>> Tim Wildmon: You are getting the 50% accuracy
>> Chris Woodward: AI yes sir.
>> Tim Wildmon: Report there, aren't you Chris?
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Chris Woodward: Yeah. I saw on a commercial once that you, you can trust everything you see on the Internet.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. anyway, I just, I just wondered from a,
>> Tim Wildmon: You guys understand the question I'm asking?
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah.
>> Fred Jackson: Well, remember there was a controversy when. What was it? The Ford, the carrier had been on sea for six months and then it
>> Tim Wildmon: got assigned, it was supposed to go back to Virginia Beach.
>> Fred Jackson: Yes. And then it got assigned Norfolk and then it ended up going to the Mediterranean.
>> Tim Wildmon: All right.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, I was right. Yeah.
>> Chris Woodward: Navy Deployments typically last six to nine months. Every 18 to 24 months.
>> Fred Jackson: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: ballistic missile submarines conduct three month patrols. That's probably under underwater. Those are the submarine, the sea launched submarine, nuclear missile subs. Because you can't come up. You've got to, you're hiding from the enemy. So that if you need to launch, you can without being detected.
>> Tim Wildmon: I bet there's a lot of.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It's probably good pay. And that's the trade off.
>> Tim Wildmon: You have to, you have to be tested mentally for that kind of thing. I mean they have, they do, they screen out.
>> Ed Vitagliano: They do.
>> Tim Wildmon: You don't.
>> Ed Vitagliano: You can't have a screaming lunatic underwater in A submarine. I saw this movie once where this guy with. He turned into a big green monster. He was on board a ship.
>> Tim Wildmon: Was that really?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. Ah, they called him the Hulk.
>> Tim Wildmon: They called him the Hulk?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. That was pretty dangerous.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's a true story.
>> Ed Vitagliano: It was a. It was a. It was a, Yeah, it was.
>> Tim Wildmon: It was ncis. Like, true stories.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I guess it was some kind of documentary.
>> Tim Wildmon: That Hulk. Did Hulk kill a sailor in Washington, D.C. so Mark Harmon could catch up with him?
>> Ed Vitagliano: He tried to kill.
We're just talking about moving ships around and blockades
Anyway, Gibbs. so when we say. When we tell people that serve in the military, we appreciate your service.
>> Tim Wildmon: Absolutely.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Sacrifice. They're not only putting their lives on the line, they're giving up a lot.
>> Tim Wildmon: Well, to your point, they're not robots.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Right.
>> Tim Wildmon: That's why I'm. I'm. That's why I'm thinking about them. I'm going like, think about.
>> Tim Wildmon: We're just talking about moving ships around and blockades. It might do this, it might do that. Well, this is people's sons, daughters over there, and they're stuck over there for now, and who knows how long.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: they're going to be there and just, strikes. I could understand if you take a
>> Tim Wildmon: ship and you go from port to port. You know, you're out two weeks, and then you're going to dock in Dubai or.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: Or something like that. I can understand. That's what they're used to. But just to be out there enforcing a blockade and I guess having meals brought in by helicopter.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, it's a war. It's. We'll get to Sandy Rios if she's still listening. But, during peace time, they probably do dock and, and, and go, you know, go to restaurants or whatever.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah. Some lose. Come back in 48 hours. Yeah.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, but not in wartime, because you. You may have to.
>> Tim Wildmon: Oh, yeah, that's what I'm asking.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know.
Brent says American Family Radio listeners have family members deployed overseas
>> Tim Wildmon: All right, you're listening to today's issues on American Family Radio.
>> Tim Wildmon: Maybe somebody can email us. Brent, what's our email? Maybe somebody has a son or daughter who's out there and they can tell us what it's like. [email protected] okay. I'm sure we have among our listeners family members who are deployed.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah.
>> Tim Wildmon: On ships enforcing our blockade against Iran. All right, you listen.
>> Tim Wildmon: What's, emailing you [email protected] that's correct.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Joining us now is our good friend and, colleague Sandy Rios, host of
>> Tim Wildmon: the, podcast Sandy Rios, 247 on American Family Radio.
>> Tim Wildmon: You go to afr.net.
>> Tim Wildmon: you can click on podcast and then download Sandy's, twice a week podcast that she brings you good insights, interviews that keep you abreast of what's happening in our country and in our world that you need to know of as a Christian and as a patriot.
Tim Ferriss: Sandy is very proud of our military right now
Joining us, right now, Sandy, good morning to you.
>> Sandy Rios: Good morning. Good morning, Tim. Good morning, everybody.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Good morning, Sandy.
>> Fred Jackson: Hello.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hey.
>> Sandy Rios: Hello.
>> Tim Wildmon: You have any thoughts on what we were talking about right there?
>> Sandy Rios: Well, yeah, I do. I think I would, yet. When ships go out, Tim, I think sailors are on the ship at least six months deployment. Six month deployment. And, then they have to. I don't know what the rest of the rules are, but that is really very normal. And also, just when you think about, just to put it in perspective, when there is a war, it's totally different. My own father said goodbye to my mother and did not come back for three and a half years. I mean, war is different. And that's why, you know, I do think that's why our, the men of our culture now don't understand. And I think it's what made them tough, like the men like my dad, tougher than nails, you know, because they knew how to be deprived and how to do things that weren't pleasant. I wouldn't like to do it, certainly, I would go crazy. But really we have to admire them for their courage and grit, which I do. I am so proud of our military right now. I just think we are not really, I don't know, I'm not talking about you guys, but, I wish our culture understood what they are accomplishing. I think if you don't watch Fox or Newsmax, you have probably no idea of the incredible things they are doing. We have so many reasons to be proud. it's just an amazing thing what's happened. the weaponry and also just the, you know, the people are behind the weapons. I mean, the weapons are working great, but they've got to be trained and smart. And I, just feel like we have every reason in the world to be extremely proud and grateful. And grateful. I think we've had the impression that we're kind of helpless and waning and, you know, getting weak. The, United States, and we can see that's not true. It's just not true.
Sandy Hart: We're coming up to that 60 day congressional approval
>> Fred Jackson: Sandy, Fred here. How do you think what we've been discussing lately is we're into this, we're coming up to that 60 day congressional approval. so what does President Trump have to do to kind of wrap this up.
>> Sandy Rios: I don't think he can operate that way. You can't. Okay, Just. You cannot execute a war with, like, you know, 60 days. You got to end it. Doesn't work. I mean, first of all, the Iranians know exactly. They know exactly what they're doing. They read our, Twitter people's Twitter posts. They see our polls. they've infiltrated here. Plus, they're great with the Internet and all of that, so we can't, we can't, like, keep talking about that. The Iranians are listening. So if they just hold out, you know, till the 60 days thing is up, then, you know, they're okay because Congress has 60 days. We've. That's just bizarre. Now, I don't think. I can't tell you the details of this, but I was told that that 60 day thing, there, is not hard and fast, and there are ways around it, but I don't know what those ways are. I can't remember.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, we talked about this earlier in the week. M. My understanding, again, I'm not an expert either. my understanding is you can, postpone that deadline for an additional 30 days. But what I read was that was for the purpose of extracting troops or, you know, bringing warships home or whatever, and that gave you an extra 30 days to do that safely. but don't you agree with the
>> Tim Wildmon: point of the, of the law, Sandy? The.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean.
>> Sandy Rios: Well, look, here's.
>> Tim Wildmon: You know, let me explain, folks, here real quickly. The point of the law.
>> Tim Wildmon: We talked. The war powers powers, which was passed in 1970.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Resolution 1970 wasn't a law.
>> Tim Wildmon: It's not a law.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I. I think it's just. I'll look it up. I think it's just a resolution, but it's. Since Congress constitutionally has the power to declare war, Congress, through this resolution, said what Congress will do under these circumstances is give 60 days.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, well, the point would be to
>> Tim Wildmon: give 60 days for the commander in chief to operate without getting congressional approval for his actions. And then beyond that, you need representatives of the people to affirm his military actions because it constitutes basically a war. So, that I could.
>> Tim Wildmon: So, anyway, I'm asking you, Sandy, you see the.
>> Tim Wildmon: That makes sense to you, or you say ditch that.
>> Sandy Rios: it's. I guess I'd be more nuanced than that. But I mean, it is a. It is a law. It was passed in 1973, in response to Vietnam. But, Tim, we are a nation of laws, and I understand that. And law is very important. But of course, our adversaries don't keep the law. They bend and twist. And, we have. I don't know how to say. I feel I'm not telling you this is right. I just know who's in Congress. I know exactly who's in Congress. I knew who's in charge in the Senate. They won't even pass a bill, even vote on a bill to require voter ID or citizenship to vote. That's who's running the Senate, the Republicans. So then we have. In the House, we've got a, one minute, one vote margin, and we've got the craziest people in the world, from Ilhan Omar to Rashida to lead to, you know, just fill in the blanks. that's who's leading. That's who's running our Congress. They're not doing anything except harmful things. Tim. right now, I think they're doing an award for. What's the guy, the martial arts guy that just died?
>> Ed Vitagliano: Chuck Norris.
>> Sandy Rios: They're working on an award for him. That's what Senate's been doing this week. and you may have seen there was a video of Thom, Tillis, leading a, dog contest in the Hart Senate Hart Building in the lobby, and all these people were around, the dogs were all dressed up, and that's what they were doing two weeks ago. So, you ask me if I think that the President of the United States, President Trump, should ask those idiots what he should do about the war, and I say no, but I know we're a nation of laws, and, So maybe don't ask me.
>> Tim Wildmon: It depends on who's in Congress.
>> Sandy Rios: well, I guess right now it does. Tim, I think we are right now at an existential threat to our nation and our future. I heard. I just got out of a briefing. There are things happening that are just. Just, Like the Virginia vote. we are. Look, President Trump won and he's been doing some great things, but the undermining, the underminers, especially on the Republican side, have been busy ever since, and they, in fact, they won't even. The Senate won't even recess to let him do recess appointment appointments. They go through this, you know, when they were out a couple of weeks around Easter, they'd go in and gavel in the Senate, you know, pretend gavel in, every. What. I don't know how many. What the law is, so that he could not do any recess appointments. What kind of a Congress is that during this dangerous time, we are, you know, our department, of Homeland Security has been hamstrung, and I. I'm sorry, but I don't trust Mark Wayne Mullin. And, he made a statement just last week that we're going to really de. Emphasize deportations. Really?
Tim Ferriss: Trump makes some terrible choices of endorsements
Really. so this is a very crucial time. And you can not like President Trump's statements. I don't either. Or some of his tweets. I don't either, but I guess.
>> Tim Wildmon: Yeah, but he's the one who hired Mark Wayne.
>> Sandy Rios: Well, I know that, Tim. He makes terrible choices.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who, Trump?
>> Sandy Rios: Yeah, he makes some terrible choices of endorsements. I'd say endorsements, mostly. That's what I see. Oh, that's a fact. But so. So we're going to get him out and have who, let's see, Gavin Newsom be president. Is that worth it? Is it worth to undermine President Trump to get Gavin Newsom or whoever? Because, you know they're going to cheat like crazy, so. And they're already saying, for those of us that have supported Trump, there's vengeance coming. They've been very clear about that. And that's going to be for afa, too. I guarantee you. It's going to be, absolute march of vengeance through all conservatives.
>> Chris Woodward: It.
>> Sandy Rios: You. You will not imagine. Can't even imagine what kind of a D day it's going to be. So you. You either, you know, support a flawed president who's doing some great things, by the way.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, I support President Trump's policies for the most part.
>> Tim Wildmon: I agree with you. but I'm just saying we.
>> Tim Wildmon: We oftentimes cite policies that maybe.
>> Tim Wildmon: I mean, he's the one who hired
>> Tim Wildmon: Mark Wayne, what's the gentleman's name last night?
>> Tim Wildmon: Mullin.
>> Tim Wildmon: He chose him out of everybody. So if.
>> Tim Wildmon: If he,
>> Tim Wildmon: If Mark is a problem, you can blame who hired him, and that's Trump.
>> Sandy Rios: I know that, Tim. he. I just said he makes terrible endorsements.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're like my mom.
>> Sandy Rios: I could name a whole bunch of them. And his endorsements. His endorsements for office are almost always bad. And I always say. I personally think that's because he's got bad advisors around him. I just heard some really bad things that Susie Weil's been doing, and she's his chief of staff. And I've heard other things before. For one of them, she was key in stopping, the hhs. I, can't remember the committee. It's all these acronyms. that's Dr. Malone's committee, and others, they were trying to stop the vaccinations. I think there were 60 jabs, something like that, for babies and children. And they did, you know, that's been reversed. Now you can have all those jabs. In fact, you know, you have to have a lot of those jabs because, I can't explain it to you, but it's Susie Wiles and other people in the. Around the President's orbit who interjected themselves and, and sabotaged what they were doing. So. Listen, I know a lot of bad things and, it's not happening well, but really.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, this is why we have you on listen.
>> Sandy Rios: To tell you the bad things.
>> Tim Wildmon: You in no way come off as negative.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I do have one.
>> Tim Wildmon: You have a way of wrapping things up. I call Sandy. Sandy sunshine.
>> Sandy Rios: Yeah, but I just, I just want people to think when they get into that, I don't like Trump and I don't either. Do we want that tweet of him that people think he, thought he was Jesus? I don't think that's what he thought. but that's what people think.
>> Tim Wildmon: He was a Red Cross doctor.
>> Sandy Rios: Yeah.
Do you think Republicans want Democrats to win in the midterms to stop Trump
>> Ed Vitagliano: Well, I think I do have a question for Sandy and this is going to give you an opportunity to shine even more. Okay. And you know we love you. I mean, listen, it's hard for us to take the. The bad news, but. Okay, so here I'm giving you an opportunity to give us more bad news. I'm just going to ask you. I'm going to ask you your opinion. Okay.
>> Tim Wildmon: Your time to get in an argument with Sandy.
>> Ed Vitagliano: No, I'm not. I think I know what she's going to say, and I don't think I disagree with her.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But I'm going to give her an opportunity to say whatever she wants.
>> Sandy Rios: You want me to make Tim mine? Okay. Thanks a lot. The.
>> Ed Vitagliano: The majority of Democrats. I mean the majority of Republicans in Congress and Republican leadership nationally speaking. Do you think, number one, they want Democrats to win in the midterms to put a stop to Trump? And do you think they would actually prefer a Democrat. Ah. Like Gavin Newsom to win in 2028 in order to stop Maga?
>> Tim Wildmon: Who would.
>> Sandy Rios: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Who would.
>> Sandy Rios: Yes.
>> Tim Wildmon: Hold on a second.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm saying Republicans, the majority of broad term.
>> Tim Wildmon: They're like a lot of Republicans.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm being broad right now. I've got my Hawaiian.
>> Tim Wildmon: Republicans are for the other side. They're for the enemy.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah. I'm saying a majority of Republicans in Congress and a majority of Republicans in national Leadership. I'm asking, Sandy, if they so hate Trump that they wouldn't mind losing in the midterms this year and even the presidency in 2028, they're going to sandbag to derail MAGA. That's. That's my question.
>> Sandy Rios: Well, my, to be specific, I think the Senate. Yes, yes, and yes. I could name you maybe, I don't know, less than 10 senators who really are pulling for the president. and I think the rest of them, now in the House, it's a different situation. We got the Freedom Caucus who are fighting like crazy. I believe Mike Johnson, I used to be hard on him. I think he's really actually become a lot bolder, and I'm grateful for that.
>> Ed Vitagliano: But that's a minority in the House.
>> Sandy Rios: It is the freedom cause. Okay, so, yes, yeah, you're right. So the majority. Yeah, because there's a bunch of luggards. You just know that The Republicans, like 10 of them are supporting amnesty for all the illegal immigrants in the House for all the illegal immigrants that have come across the border. And then we have 10 of them that voted, have voted to, give, the, the thousands of Haitians that have come and they were on temporary protected status to make that permanent. so look, I think, yes, they want President Trump out and MAGA gone. And so they would rather have like a Gavin Newsom win and, you know, what's his face that runs the House. I'm sorry, the names are not coming. Jeffries, my brain. Yes, they would rather have that and, let just shake loose of all the maga, and then they fancy that they'd be back in control again and they would, you know, they'd have what, I don't know, Mike Pence be their president or, you know, some nice little.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I just, I'm just going to say, I'm sad to say that I agree with you. I think they have viewed that. I'm talking about the majority. There are, probably a solid minority, have been very supportive of the president. But the majority of these folks in the Republican Party, they view Trump as incredibly disruptive. They view the populist movement in Republic, in the Republican camp, and more broadly speaking, as a force they cannot control. And in order for them to play their little game up there in D.C. and get, you know, fat and wealthy, I think they are willing to suffer a temporary defeat. And in order to, to kill that puppy in the kennel and make like they did with the Tea Party, to me, I lost faith in the Republican Party. When the Tea Party was resisted by the Republican establishment. I'm. Now, I'm making Tim mad now.
>> Tim Wildmon: No, I'm, I'm listening. I haven't said anything.
>> Tim Wildmon: Am.
>> Tim Wildmon: I have a body language from.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Clear body language.
>> Tim Wildmon: Body language going on anyway. The new trip observer, Fred. So body language, is a,
>> Fred Jackson: Everybody exhibits somebody.
>> Tim Wildmon: Okay, I got you. Go ahead.
>> Ed Vitagliano: I'm just going to say I agree. And it's, it's, it's, it's sad. I was a lifelong Republican. Good grief. I defended the Vietnam War. Okay. I mean, I just. My country, right or wrong. And over the years, I've just come to see again, the majority of people up in D.C. are just as corrupt as any Roman senator in the Senate days of the Republic. They are. They are making a killing. It's not just Democrats. And they can't, they can't put a leash on Trump. And they will under. That's why I think they're under.
Sandy Cohen: States need to rise up and take back their states
They undermine them and resist him his first term. I, I don't. I, I'm, I'm starting to go crazy.
>> Sandy Rios: Yeah, okay.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Go ahead.
>> Sandy Rios: Let me say something because I think it's important because I know we're running out of time. Look, one thing to remember is that the left, the dark forces, and that includes whatever name you want to add to that, that want to destroy this country. They want us to be discouraged. There are a lot of great people doing a lot of great things. And I think the solution, is states to rise up and take. Take back their states, which I think is happening in a lot of places. And, the federal government, when the states do that, the federal government will be shrunk and has been already. so it's a battle. It's a back and forth. And remember that our founders in the Revolutionary War, what are the odds of them winning? What were the odds of them women?
>> Ed Vitagliano: You're giving me hope. You're giving me hope.
>> Sandy Rios: When George Washington was at Valley, Forge and his men were starving and their feet were freezing, why didn't he just quit? Look how awful. You know, it's just too hard and we. They're too big. But they did not quit. And so I'm for not quitting. And I think Jesus would want us to be perseverant on what's right until the very end.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Oh, you brought. You brought me out of the depths, Sandy. You brought me out of the depths of political despair.
>> Sandy Rios: Yeah, well, I'm glad because I think that's true. What I just said is true.
>> Ed Vitagliano: Yeah, so Amen.
>> Tim Wildmon: Amen.
Sandy Rios' podcast is available twice a week
All right, Sandy, Rios, 24 7. Her podcast, released twice a week, is [email protected] afr.net you want to make sure you sign up for that and get Sandy's, twice a week podcast. Thank you, Sandy.
>> Fred Jackson: Take care.
>> Tim Wildmon: Have a good day.
>> Sandy Rios: Thank you, Tim. Talk to you guys later.
>> Tim Wildmon: We'll be back in five minutes with more of today's issues. Stay with us.
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